As part of some ongoing research, I am trying to find out information on former Union Pacific and Chicago and North Western streamlined sleeping cars. If anyone has any information on any of these cars that still exist, your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Boyd Owens

ddg14@attbi.com

> As part of some ongoing research, I am
> trying to find out information on former
> Union Pacific and Chicago and North Western
> streamlined sleeping cars. If anyone has any
> information on any of these cars that still
> exist, your help would be greatly
> appreciated.

Pacific Railroad Society of Los Angeles, California, has the following UP cars:
IMPERIAL BIRD... 4-4-2.. 1942
NATIONAL FORUM .. 6-4-6 .. 1955
see its web page: http://www.pacificrailroadsociety.org/e ... index.html

Orange Empire Railway Museum of Perris, California, has the following UP car:
NATIONAL SCENE .. 6-4-6 .. 1956
see its web page:
http://www.oerm.org/pages/up.html

Travel Town (Los Angeles Dept of Recreation & Parks) in Los Angeles has the following UP car:
LA-701 LITTLE NUGGET .. dorm-club car .. 1937
see its own web page:
http://www.cityofla.org/rap/grifmet/tt/ ... nugget.htm

Travel Town also has the following C&NW cars that operated on the City trains:
HUNTERS POINT .. 4-4-2 .. 1940
ROSE BOWL .. 18 rmt .. 1937
see the index page:
http://www.cityofla.org/rap/grifmet/tt/ ... senger.htm

Hope this helps.

Brian Norden

bnorden49@earthlink.net

> Pacific Railroad Society of Los Angeles,
> California, has the following UP cars:

> NATIONAL FORUM .. 6-4-6 .. 1955
> Orange Empire Railway Museum of Perris,
> California, has the following UP car:
> NATIONAL SCENE .. 6-4-6 .. 1956

> Brian Norden

Sister Car NATIONAL BORDER is also in SoCal and once owned by Rypn contributor Jon Clark and maybe still is.


wyld@sbcglobal.net

Check out the UP's web site for their business car fleet. They have a number of ex-UP and C&NW sleepers in use.

Union Pacific HIstoric Equipment
kevin.r.gillespie@verizon.net

> Check out the UP's web site for their
> business car fleet. They have a number of
> ex-UP and C&NW sleepers in use.
The ex CN&W sleepers that UP has are actually ex KCS long distance coaches that C&NW converted to sleepers. I wonder if there are actually any ex CNW sleepers still in existance.

> I wonder if
> there are actually any ex CNW sleepers still
> in existance.

The railroad sold most to Mexico. These include the AMERICAN series 6-6-4s, WESTERN series 12-4s, NOTHERN series 16DupRmt-3DER-1Cpt cars.

I have notes that indicate that the four IMPERIAL series 4-4-2s were sold private with at least one going through Autoliner (I think they rebuilt one into a Rock Island business car).

The two cars now in Travel Town in Griffith Park were part of a motel in Sioux Falls and mentioned in Trains magazine May 1965. There was an additional City train 4-4-2 there named CIVIC CENTER. I do not know what happened to this one.

After the railroad dropped out of the Union Pacific trains many of its cars remained leased to Pullman and operated where needed. I've seen pictures of some of these cars painted in the IC scheme for service to New Orleans and Florida. I think the motel was painted in IC colors and the IMPERIAL 4-4-2s had the same paint scheme.

Brian Norden

bnorden49@earthlink.net

Two former sleepers are in use on the Midland Railway in Baldwin City, KS. Both were converted by the UP into MOW sleepers, and retain their MOW green colors.

The American Shores is used as the "Midland Hilton" for volunteer crew members so they can stay at the railway overnight. It has 2 bedrooms still intact at the vestibule end of the car. The center section is set up as a lounge/kitchen area. A short hall down the car's center has a bathroom/shower room on one side, and a utility room sits directly across from it. The end of the car contains 4 bunk beds and storage lockers for crew members. The owner of the Shores has performed several mechanical upgrades to the car. We are looking at painting it into UP Two-Tone Grey in the next year or two.

The American Heights is in service on the Midland's Boy Scout Train. It has the same floorplan as the American Shores, but was gutted and now contains 52 wooden bunks. This car is used to house Boy Scout troops who come to participate in the railway's Train Camps.

Bunce652b@aol.com

Just about all of the Union Pacific AMERICAN series 6-6-4 Pullmans became MOW bunk cars. There were 42 such Pullmans and 40 of them became bunk cars. One AMERICAN LAKE was wrecked Nov 12, 1951 near Evanston, wyoming. Another AMERICAN COMMAND is not among those converted.

Seven of the 12 IMPERIAL series 4-4-2 Pullmans became bunk cars. Four of the balance (IMPERIAL BIRD, CAPE, LETTER & SANDS) are known to have gone into private ownership. IMPERIAL CAPE was dismantled for parts. I'm not sure what happened to the 12th one, IMPERIAL BAND.

Brian Norden

> Two former sleepers are in use on the
> Midland Railway in Baldwin City, KS. Both
> were converted by the UP into MOW sleepers,
> and retain their MOW green colors.

> The American Shores is used as the
> "Midland Hilton" for volunteer
> crew members so they can stay at the railway
> overnight. It has 2 bedrooms still intact at
> the vestibule end of the car. The center
> section is set up as a lounge/kitchen area.
> A short hall down the car's center has a
> bathroom/shower room on one side, and a
> utility room sits directly across from it.
> The end of the car contains 4 bunk beds and
> storage lockers for crew members. The owner
> of the Shores has performed several
> mechanical upgrades to the car. We are
> looking at painting it into UP Two-Tone Grey
> in the next year or two.

> The American Heights is in service on the
> Midland's Boy Scout Train. It has the same
> floorplan as the American Shores, but was
> gutted and now contains 52 wooden bunks.
> This car is used to house Boy Scout troops
> who come to participate in the railway's
> Train Camps.


bnorden49@earthlink.net

Thanks to everyone providing all the excellent information. It is truly great to have RYPN as a resource for information. I can only imagine how long it would take to find all this information without RYPN and all of you helping me out.

Thanks Again,
Boyd Owens

ddg14@attbi.com

DOn't forget the National Command 6-4-6 at the Durham Western Heritage Museum in Omaha. and the Lake Crystal 10-1-2 at Sthur Museum in Grand Island.

Stuhr Museum
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