The post about the sunken S-160's made me wonder. Of all the thousands of locomotives shipped overseas, have any ever been brought "home"? I've heard of some Alcos in Hagerstown, etc.

Personally, if I ever hit powerball, I'd like to try to get a Vulcan "Skyliner" from Turkey. Everybody has to have a pipedream, no?

For all the talk of global commerce in the popular business press in the past 20 years as a new emerging phenomonon, it might be a use3ful interpretive tool to have a engine that was made in the USA for foreign markets.



superheater@rrmail.com

The traction folks have been doing it for years ... might be some good connections !


lamontdc@adelphia.net

> The post about the sunken S-160's made me
> wonder. Of all the thousands of locomotives
> shipped overseas, have any ever been brought
> "home"? I've heard of some Alcos
> in Hagerstown, etc.

I believe the Hagerstown MRS-1s, built in 1953, never left American soil. I could be wrong....

> For all the talk of global commerce in the
> popular business press in the past 20 years
> as a new emerging phenomonon, it might be a
> use3ful interpretive tool to have a engine
> that was made in the USA for foreign
> markets.

I can't think of any US repatriation projects, but several locos have been brought back to Britain from other countries, including a Chinese 4-8-4 built in Manchester for just that reason (now at the National Ry. Museum in York). I know certain parties were trolling for the remains of LMS 8F's and some 0-6-0Ts in Iraq, Turkey, and Greece, and I do think they succeeded in bringing back at least one from Greece.

Think Cuba, gang..........


lner4472@bcpl.net

A General Pershing Consolidation was brought back from Korea in 1959 I believe. Unless something has changed, it's still in Greenbay Wisconsin.

Thanks, Taylor

thrush@smt-net.com

There are several instances of exported narrow gauge steam locomotives being repatriated, such as the two IRCA engines from Guatemala at the Georgetown Loop.

pjslks@ix.netcom.com

> Think Cuba, gang..........

Alexander, as soon as the Western Hemisphere's premiere despot and mass murderer kicks off, great place to give the poor folks down there a few quid.

.. of course that assumes I'm still alive after the uncontrollable convulsions I'll suffer when Baba Wawa fawns and eulogizes about the world's most durable "leader".



superheater@rrmail.com

Exported S-160's have been available overseas in kit form. I also contacted the Greek Embassy years ago regarding some there but that bore no fruit. We have procured several major components from exported S-160's including rods, a lead truck and a superheater header.

Also, the Niles Quartering and Journal Turning machines that we have were repatriated from Poland.

G. Mark

TVRM Shop Updates by Steve Freer
aw90@comcast.net

> Alexander, as soon as the Western
> Hemisphere's premiere despot and mass
> murderer kicks off, great place to give the
> poor folks down there a few quid.

Why do we need to wait until Bush is out of office? ;-)

Sorry, too easy a shot.

Seriously, the information we have been getting is that a lot of Cuban steam may not out live Castro and that the time to act is now. Think Canada.

Rob

trains@robertjohndavis.com

Let's think about the steam engines that ran on American rails before being sent overseas.

There is a standard gauge engine from either the
New York or Chicago elevateds in Cuba. Now that is a rare breed for sure!

I am sure that there are others just as interesting down there.

ted_miles@nps.gov

> Why do we need to wait until Bush is out of
> office? ;-)

> Sorry, too easy a shot.

>Rob not even close or funny-do you know anybody -who experienced and escaped "Mr. Castro"? - If you did you would realize exactly how bankrupt and insulting that statement is. I have no use for Clinton but I would never compare him to that monster.

As much as I'd like to see some old Baldwins come home- I wouldn't do anything that will put money in Castro's hands. The money will only go to support the apparatus.

Next time, please stick to the subject and reserve inflammatory personal political invective for a more appropriate forum.

superheater@rrmail.com

OK, ok, enough in this tone, gentlemen. In the future:

1. Political sarcasm, even tongue in cheek, is probably best left for other forums.

2. Problems with a particular post are better handled by calling them to the attention of the poster and the moderator back-channel.

Even-handed enough for all, I hope.

Tremont 100 celebration
eledbetter@rypn.org

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.

Rob

trains@robertjohndavis.com

> Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.

> Rob

Darn too bad I tuned in before the ref blew the whistle. :)

Seriously though, how feasible would be be to repatriate a piece of equipment for a less than friendly country (i.e., Mexico, China, Cuba, etc.)?

God Bless,
Gerald W. Kopiasz

hrrhs@aol.com

> Seriously though, how feasible would be be
> to repatriate a piece of equipment for a
> less than friendly country (i.e., Mexico,
> China, Cuba, etc.)?

Every case is unique, and you'd need an international trade and/or a cultural property lawyer or lawyers to guide you through the thicket (I am not either). But to take your examples as an illustration of the complications--

Cuba: if you are an American you would want to make very, very sure that whatever you did to purchase an engine or other object in Cuba did not fall afoul of the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of the United States Department of the Treasury. I would be very careful indeed about assuming that working though an intermediary in a 3rd country offered any protection whatsoever.

Mexico--limitations of getting RR equipment from Mexico would come from the Mexican side, not the US side. Mexico is sensitive about the export of anything they consider cultural property and might simplly refuse to do a deal (either the government might refuse, or the private owner might refuse, or both). For the same reason we in the US can no longer get Melborne streetcars--no problem on this side, but the Australians decided after a while to put a stop to that form of selling away their historic patrimony.

China--no problems that I know of as long as you have cash and can do a deal. We have no trade restrictions on imports to the US from China that would apply in any way to RR equiptment.

CMRT roster
eledbetter@rypn.org

>
> it might be a useful interpretive tool to have a engine that was made in the USA for foreign
> markets.

Been there, done that--at IRM we have two "made in USA" export locomotives, Frisco "Russian" Decapod 1630 and CSS&SB "Little Joe" 803. Both built for foreign markets, but never delivered. And better yet, both operable.


kevinmccabe@avenew.com