Do any of these survive and if so where. Also wondering about TR(calf's).
Any help would be great.
Thanks, Mark

downdrikson@bright.net

The Boone and Scenic Valley RR in Boone,IA has a TR-2 calf.

Boyd

Boone and Scenic Valley TR-2

bowens@rypn.org

Only 5 GP7B's were built, AT&SF 2788A-2792A. I don't think any survived.

Of the 165 GP9B's built, PRR got 40 and none survived; UP got the rest, and unless Portola or CSRM are hiding something, it's unlikely any survived.

lner4472@bcpl.net

> Do any of these survive and if so where.
> Also wondering about TR(calf's).
> Any help would be great.
> Thanks, Mark

Independent Locomotive Serivces (based out of the old Soo Thief River Falls roundhouse) has a couple of ex-Belt Railway of Chicago TR2s. They lease them out to grain elevators. Sorry, I don't have any numbers for them.

As for GP7/9Bs, if none are surviving, it could be a neat project (if one has the resources) to "kitbash" a Geep with a cab into GP7/9B.

Geeps are getting cheaper by the day with so many being replaces on regionals and shortlines by GP38/40s.

There is a preserved "TR2" locomotive on this page. Although it claims to be an ALCo.

http://www.rautatie.org/en/default.asp

Hmmmmm....

Too late for an April Fool's?



TR2 ALCo
trains@robertjohndavis.com

This thread brought up a couple of questions for me:

1.) Have any GTW GP's been saved? I know Saginaw Railway Museum had a couple, (4400-series?) but don't know if that still is the case.

2.) Beyond the C&O GP at Hocking Valley Scenic, have any C&O Geeps been saved?

TJG



Port Huron Museum
tjgaffney@phmuseum.org

> As for GP7/9Bs, if none are surviving, it
> could be a neat project (if one has the
> resources) to "kitbash" a Geep
> with a cab into GP7/9B.

The Burlington Northern did this with four GP-9s in the mid 1980's. According to the website below, all four are still in service. One of these would be worthy of preservation as a BN or BNSF unit, as it illustrates a rebuilding preference peculiar to the former road.

Tom

BNSF Photo Archive

rrhistorian@hotmail.com

> The Burlington Northern did this with four
> GP-9s in the mid 1980's. According to the
> website below, all four are still in
> service. One of these would be worthy of
> preservation as a BN or BNSF unit, as it
> illustrates a rebuilding preference peculiar
> to the former road.

> Tom

When the IC/ICG was heavy into rebuilding GP7s and GP9s into GP8s and GP10s, didn't some of the UP Geep "B" units get cabs added? Anyone have an all-time ICG roster who can check this out?
Don C.


milw261@sbcglobal.net

> 2.) Beyond the C&O GP at Hocking Valley
> Scenic, have any C&O Geeps been saved?

GP7 5828 has been preserved at the Virginia Museum of Transportation in Roanoke.

Frank Hicks


fullparallel@wideopenwest.com

> When the IC/ICG was heavy into rebuilding
> GP7s and GP9s into GP8s and GP10s, didn't
> some of the UP Geep "B" units get
> cabs added? Anyone have an all-time ICG
> roster who can check this out?
> Don C.

>>>>> I don't know about Geeps, but I do know for sure that some UP SD24Bs did get this treatment by ICG, which they termed "SD20s". Several are still in service in midwestern regionals (Iowa Interstate, Wisconsin Sourthern, RRV&W etc.)

If it's a joke it would sucker me in. I could easily believe that to be an ALCO export product. Much abourt it appears to conform to N. American practice, rhather than European practice. 2 cyl. outside, individual latches on the smokebox door and not a wheel, seems to have an American stlye pilot that might even be flue tubes, and even a glimmering suggestion of what could be an ALCO builders plate. They certainly exported locomotives. If that's a joke, I guess I'm a fool. What makes you think it's bogus? Nice picture in any case, and a nice looking locomotive.

Sincerely,
David Ackerman

david_ackerman@yahoo.com

According to my records, it is ALCO 75214/1947. It is a five foot gauge 2-10-0; and may be a rebuilt example of a "Russian Decapod" from World War II. The ones built during WWI would have two builder's plate, one in English, one in Cyrillic; I am not sure about the WWII examples.

No. 1319 is the only known surviving example of the Finnish Tr2 class.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

> If it's a joke it would sucker me in. I
> could easily believe that to be an ALCO
> export product. Much abourt it appears to
> conform to N. American practice, rhather
> than European practice. 2 cyl. outside,
> individual latches on the smokebox door and
> not a wheel, seems to have an American stlye
> pilot that might even be flue tubes, and
> even a glimmering suggestion of what could
> be an ALCO builders plate. They certainly
> exported locomotives. If that's a joke, I
> guess I'm a fool. What makes you think it's
> bogus? Nice picture in any case, and a nice
> looking locomotive.

> Sincerely,
> David Ackerman


Surviving World Steam Locomotives
james1@pernet.net

Hi David,

I am sure the steam engine is an ALCo. I was kidding around with the post, as the thread was about the EMD TR-2 diesel. When I searched google for a TR-2 in a museum, the Swedish gal is what came up.

Rob

> If it's a joke it would sucker me in. I
> could easily believe that to be an ALCO
> export product. Much abourt it appears to
> conform to N. American practice, rhather
> than European practice. 2 cyl. outside,
> individual latches on the smokebox door and
> not a wheel, seems to have an American stlye
> pilot that might even be flue tubes, and
> even a glimmering suggestion of what could
> be an ALCO builders plate. They certainly
> exported locomotives. If that's a joke, I
> guess I'm a fool. What makes you think it's
> bogus? Nice picture in any case, and a nice
> looking locomotive.

> Sincerely,
> David Ackerman


rdavis@rypn.org

On a side note, Kurt Bell presides over a fantastic collection of photos of the WWII Russian 2-10-0's being exported. The RR Museum of PA library has at least 20 images of these engines being shipped by rail across the US, assembled and tested in the Pacific Northwest on a special 5' gauge yard, and then packed onto ships for trip overseas. A really fascinating series of images about a group of quite interesting engines. They are often overshadowed by their WWI-era cousins that stayed in the USA.

Rob Davis

> According to my records, it is ALCO
> 75214/1947. It is a five foot gauge 2-10-0;
> and may be a rebuilt example of a
> "Russian Decapod" from World War
> II. The ones built during WWI would have two
> builder's plate, one in English, one in
> Cyrillic; I am not sure about the WWII
> examples.

> No. 1319 is the only known surviving example
> of the Finnish Tr2 class.

> -James Hefner
> Hebrews 10:20a


rdavis@rypn.org

Thanks for your kind words, Rob. BTW your article in RMC was first-rate. Keep up the good work!

Kurt Bell

On a side note, Kurt Bell presides over a
> fantastic collection of photos of the WWII
> Russian 2-10-0's being exported. The RR
> Museum of PA library has at least 20 images
> of these engines being shipped by rail
> across the US, assembled and tested in the
> Pacific Northwest on a special 5' gauge
> yard, and then packed onto ships for trip
> overseas. A really fascinating series of
> images about a group of quite interesting
> engines. They are often overshadowed by
> their WWI-era cousins that stayed in the
> USA.

> Rob Davis