F45 or SD45 Worth Trying To Save?

DC · **Posted:** Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:48 pm

Hi all,

I was wondering if I could get the feedback from the list about if a F45 or a SD45 is worth trying to save?

If anyone is interested in this, please feel free to e-mail me, right now I'm looking into funding for this.
Thanks,
Dan

BNsd40-2@RRmail.com

JJ · **Posted:** Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:30 pm

Considering SD45's from the Great Northern, Erie Lackawanna, Norfolk & Western, and Southern Pacific and several FP45's from the Santa Fe are already in museums, I'd say an F45 might be the choice. Only a handful of F45's remain and all are stored or retired.

The NYS&W still has one ex-BN F45 currently stored at their Utica, NY engine facility. Although it's being used as a parts supply, externally it looks intact. Perhaps they may consider an offer for this unit.

> Hi all,

> I was wondering if I could get the feedback
> from the list about if a F45 or a SD45 is
> worth trying to save?

> If anyone is interested in this, please feel
> free to e-mail me, right now I'm looking
> into funding for this.
> Thanks,
> Dan

Peter Nicholson · **Posted:** Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:31 pm

I don't have an opinion on whether it's "worth it" or not, but I do know CN is selling the ex-WC SD45s and three F45s, so units are available. They also have three BN E9AMs for sale, plus the four Algoma Central FP9As and a pair of GMD1s. There are also a lot of GP40s and SD40s for sale - these are much more typical units and I do think it's worth preserving an example of each.

At last July's CNIC auction, "retired running" SD45s were going for about $20,500, the F45s for $16,000. (That doesn't mean they still run - that depends on how much jewelry the shop forces removed while the units were on the dead line.)

See link below for a complete list of CN units for sale.

CN Locomotive Sale
pnichol6@prodigy.net

DC · **Posted:** Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:11 pm

I should mention that the SD45 and the F45 are both ex. NYSW's. The current asking price is about $5,000 each.

The F45 has a B/O'ed prime mover with a broken crankshaft and the SD45 runs but is missing traction motors.

I'm currently seeking help with funding for both units.

Thanks,
Dan

BNsd40-2@RRmail.com

Richard Glueck · **Posted:** Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:57 pm

Only if it is provided with a western-style cowcatcher, a balloon stack, and has cowboys hold it up every time it's run. Now that's preservation!

glueck@maine.edu

Rob Davis · **Posted:** Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:10 pm

> (That doesn't
> mean they still run - that depends on how
> much jewelry the shop forces removed while
> the units were on the dead line.)

Oh, oh. Does that mean if someone buys one, that there will be a big nasty thread on RYPN if its builders plates and "jewelry" come up on eBay in the year 2028?

;-)

Sorry... couldn't resist!

Rob

rdavis@rypn.org

Ted Miles · **Posted:** Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:51 pm

I don't know about the builders's plates. but i wonder how much they will be paying for diesel oil to run it on some museums's dispaly track way up
in decades to come.

Steam engines can run on wood or coal; but lube oil at $1000. a guart? It could happen!

ted_miles@nps.gov

ge13031 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:54 pm

> Steam engines can run on wood or coal; but
> lube oil at $1000. a guart? It could happen!

1. I hope someone can find a way to preserve ME until 2028!

2. Synthetic lubricant is slightly cheaper than $1000/qt and your exhaust may smell of french fries or peanuts but what the hey!

3. Course the way inflation comes and goes who knows what $1000 will buy in 2028. My '78 buick LeSabre rolled out the door @ $3800.

lamontdc@adelphia.net