Rare EMC Model 40 four-wheeler, photographed recently at Cushing Stone. Not sure where that is, probably in NY State.

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ryarger@rypn.org

> Rare EMC Model 40 four-wheeler, photographed
> recently at Cushing Stone. Not sure where
> that is, probably in NY State.

Bob,

This engine is at a quarry near South Amsterdam, NY along the old West Shore. CSX has recently applied to abandon this stub, which runs from Rotterdam Junction west to the quarry. The engine is along the highway and easily photographed.

For those looking for it, it is directly behind the giant and quite beautiful Adirondack Power & Light plant, which is a landmark for passengers traveling on the old NYC main across the Mohawk River from the quarry.

The powerhouse looks intact, but it is used for concrete block warehousing apparently and has the wall facing the highway removed.

Rob

rdavis@rypn.org

> Bob,

> This engine is at a quarry near South
> Amsterdam, NY along the old West Shore. CSX
> has recently applied to abandon this stub,
> which runs from Rotterdam Junction west to
> the quarry. The engine is along the highway
> and easily photographed.

> For those looking for it, it is directly
> behind the giant and quite beautiful
> Adirondack Power & Light plant, which is
> a landmark for passengers traveling on the
> old NYC main across the Mohawk River from
> the quarry.

> The powerhouse looks intact, but it is used
> for concrete block warehousing apparently
> and has the wall facing the highway removed.

> Rob

The Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum has an EMD Model 40. Donated by Calumet Steel, it is slowly undergoing a cosmetic restoration. I believe there were only 11 examples built by Electro Motive. I believe one is still active in California. How many others are still around?

Les Beckman (HVRM/North Judson, Indiana)



midlandblb@cs.com

One now in service at the Walkersville Southern north of Frederick, MD.


Labor and Management at MOI
eledbetter@rypn.org

Here's a partial list. From what I can tell, 6 (and possibly 8) of the 11 built still survive. Any others?:

Travel Town in Los Angeles has an ex Navy Model 40

The one in Bob's post in South Amsterdam, NY

The one in "L's" post in Hoosier Land

Walkerville Southern RR in Maryland

Museum of Industry in Stellarton, N.S., Canada

Agricultural & Industrial Museum of York County, AP supposedly has a Model 40 from the Harley Davidson plant

Rumor: Calumet Hieghts, IL there is rumored to be a Model 40 at Calumet Steel

Rumor: La Grange, IL at EMD

trains@robertjohndavis.com

Is the Walkerville Southern part of or associated with the Gathiersburg Roundhouse museum? I was sure they used to have one. And it was either operable or close to operating.

Does anyone know how many besides the one at Travel Town still operate?

Greg

> Here's a partial list. From what I can
> tell, 6 (and possibly 8) of the 11 built
> still survive. Any others?:

> Travel Town in Los Angeles has an ex Navy
> Model 40

> The one in Bob's post in South Amsterdam, NY

> The one in "L's" post in Hoosier
> Land

> Walkerville Southern RR in Maryland

> Museum of Industry in Stellarton, N.S.,
> Canada

> Agricultural & Industrial Museum of York
> County, AP supposedly has a Model 40 from
> the Harley Davidson plant

> Rumor: Calumet Hieghts, IL there is rumored
> to be a Model 40 at Calumet Steel

> Rumor: La Grange, IL at EMD


Travel Town Museum Foundation
greg@cscvrr.org

> Here's a partial list. From what I can
> tell, 6 (and possibly 8) of the 11 built
> still survive. Any others?:

> Travel Town in Los Angeles has an ex Navy
> Model 40

> The one in Bob's post in South Amsterdam, NY

> The one in "L's" post in Hoosier
> Land

> Walkerville Southern RR in Maryland

> Museum of Industry in Stellarton, N.S.,
> Canada

> Agricultural & Industrial Museum of York
> County, AP supposedly has a Model 40 from
> the Harley Davidson plant

> Rumor: Calumet Hieghts, IL there is rumored
> to be a Model 40 at Calumet Steel

Rob: NOTE - The above rumored Model 40 is the one now at Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum in North Judson, Indiana. Donated to the museum by Calumet Steel of CHICAGO Heights, IL.

Les Beckman (HVRM)

midlandblb@cs.com

> Agricultural & Industrial Museum of York
> County, AP supposedly has a Model 40 from
> the Harley Davidson plant

The Model 40 from Harley-Davidson, named Old Bill, is indeed at the museum. It was used at the plant during World War II and after, when the plant was owned by AMF, a defense contractor. I don't know that H-D ever used it, although I did see it parked outside the plant in 1996. I believe it ran under its own power to downtown York, from where it was trucked a short distance to the museum.

K4s1361@hotmail.com

> Is the Walkerville Southern part of or
> associated with the Gathiersburg Roundhouse
> museum? I was sure they used to have one.
> And it was either operable or close to
> operating.

You mean Hagerstown Roundhouse Museum--yes, its the same engine, leased from the Hagerstown group and moved to Walkersville about a year ago.

There is a Gaithersburg train display--one of the BC&G consols is there. All towns in Maryland; easy to confuse.

eledbetter@rypn.org

> Rare EMC Model 40 four-wheeler, photographed
> recently at Cushing Stone. Not sure where
> that is, probably in NY State.

The real question is, has anyone tried to acquire this model 40 for preservation from Cushing Stone? With the low price for switchers these days, one could conceivable trade another loco to them if they still require something to move cars around with. This unit is worth it.

Tod Engine Foundation
rick@todengine.org

Of course, you're right. Duh. As one who travels as much as I do, I should even be able to keep Maryland correct, even though I've never been able to visit either museum.

Thanks,

Greg

> You mean Hagerstown Roundhouse Museum--yes,
> its the same engine, leased from the
> Hagerstown group and moved to Walkersville
> about a year ago.

> There is a Gaithersburg train display--one
> of the BC&G consols is there. All towns
> in Maryland; easy to confuse.


http://www.traveltown.org
greg@cscvrr.org

What are the stats regarding these (i.e. weight, hp, etc.)? I see they came with two Detroits, I wonder what model these had?

Thanks,
Gerald

> The real question is, has anyone tried to
> acquire this model 40 for preservation from
> Cushing Stone? With the low price for
> switchers these days, one could conceivable
> trade another loco to them if they still
> require something to move cars around with.
> This unit is worth it.


hrrhs@aol.com

Here are the stats for the Model 40 at Travel Town.

===================
Some Interesting Facts about CS&CV #1
(Charley Atkins)

The McDonnell Douglas four-wheel, 300 horsepower, 40-ton switcher dedicated to the memory of Charley Atkins was one of eleven manufactured by the Electro-Motive Corporation (now the Electro-Motive Division of General Motors) in the 1940 to 1943 time frame as a means of trying to enter the "vest pocket" industrial switcher market, and was called a "Model 40." This engine, EMC Serial Number 2288, was built in 1942 (just 13 years after the M.177!) and was delivered to the U.S. Navy for use at the Naval Torpedo Station at Newport, R.I. The engine subsequently served at the San Diego North Island Naval Air Station, and was acquired by McDonnell Douglas in 1962. It last operated at their Long Beach plant in early 1988. The engine's vital statistics:

Length over pulling faces of couplers 24'-8"
Width overall at eaves 10'-01/2"
Height, top of rail to top of roof 13'-21/2"
Weight without fuel, lube oil and sand 81,500 lbs.
Weight with fuel, lube oil and sand 86,500 lbs.
Fuel capacity (No. 2 diesel) 400 gals.

The engine is a single-truck locomotive with 45" wheels having 6 1/2" by 12" journals and a wheelbase of 13'-0". Each axle is powered by an EMC D-7A-1 traction motor having a continuous rating of 150 horsepower. Gearing is 62/15.

The power plant consists of two General Motors 6-71 diesel engines driving an EMC D7 generator on a common shaft. Each engine develops about 160 horsepower at 1800 RPM. Control is be means of an EMC 8051359 control stand which opens and closes the generator field contactor and varies the engines' speed to vary the output voltage of the generator.

As an industrial switcher, the Model 40 was not designed for great speed. A retrofitted "Tachograph" (combination clock, speedometer and speed recorder) in the cab has an operating range of 0 to 30 MPH, and the EMC Instruction Manual warns that, to avoid excessive traction motor heating, the total weight of its train should be kept down so that its speed does not fall below 7.5 mph when running with wide open throttle!

Airbrakes are standard Westinghouse 14-EL equipment. Foundation brake rigging includes clasp type brake shoes and two 12" cylinders.

Greg

> What are the stats regarding these (i.e.
> weight, hp, etc.)? I see they came with two
> Detroits, I wonder what model these had?

> Thanks,
> Gerald


http://www.traveltown.org
greg@cscvrr.org

Given these stats and assuming the locomotive is close to the same mechanical makeup as it did when it left the factory, what is the parts availability for this unit these days?

Gerald W. Kopiasz

> Here are the stats for the Model 40 at
> Travel Town.

> ===================
> Some Interesting Facts about CS&CV #1
> (Charley Atkins)

> The McDonnell Douglas four-wheel, 300
> horsepower, 40-ton switcher dedicated to the
> memory of Charley Atkins was one of eleven
> manufactured by the Electro-Motive
> Corporation (now the Electro-Motive Division
> of General Motors) in the 1940 to 1943 time
> frame as a means of trying to enter the
> "vest pocket" industrial switcher
> market, and was called a "Model
> 40." This engine, EMC Serial Number
> 2288, was built in 1942 (just 13 years after
> the M.177!) and was delivered to the U.S.
> Navy for use at the Naval Torpedo Station at
> Newport, R.I. The engine subsequently served
> at the San Diego North Island Naval Air
> Station, and was acquired by McDonnell
> Douglas in 1962. It last operated at their
> Long Beach plant in early 1988. The engine's
> vital statistics:

> Length over pulling faces of couplers
> 24'-8"
> Width overall at eaves 10'-01/2"
> Height, top of rail to top of roof
> 13'-21/2"
> Weight without fuel, lube oil and sand
> 81,500 lbs.
> Weight with fuel, lube oil and sand 86,500
> lbs.
> Fuel capacity (No. 2 diesel) 400 gals.

> The engine is a single-truck locomotive with
> 45" wheels having 6 1/2" by
> 12" journals and a wheelbase of
> 13'-0". Each axle is powered by an EMC
> D-7A-1 traction motor having a continuous
> rating of 150 horsepower. Gearing is 62/15.

> The power plant consists of two General
> Motors 6-71 diesel engines driving an EMC D7
> generator on a common shaft. Each engine
> develops about 160 horsepower at 1800 RPM.
> Control is be means of an EMC 8051359
> control stand which opens and closes the
> generator field contactor and varies the
> engines' speed to vary the output voltage of
> the generator.

> As an industrial switcher, the Model 40 was
> not designed for great speed. A retrofitted
> "Tachograph" (combination clock,
> speedometer and speed recorder) in the cab
> has an operating range of 0 to 30 MPH, and
> the EMC Instruction Manual warns that, to
> avoid excessive traction motor heating, the
> total weight of its train should be kept
> down so that its speed does not fall below
> 7.5 mph when running with wide open
> throttle!

> Airbrakes are standard Westinghouse 14-EL
> equipment. Foundation brake rigging includes
> clasp type brake shoes and two 12"
> cylinders.

> Greg


hrrhs@aol.com

> Given these stats and assuming the
> locomotive is close to the same mechanical
> makeup as it did when it left the factory,
> what is the parts availability for this unit
> these days?

> Gerald W. Kopiasz

The Model 40 at our museum (ex-Calumet Steel) has VERY badly worn wheels which, unfortunately, prevents a restoration to operation. Anyone out there have some new wheels?

Les Beckman (Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum/North Judson, Indiana)

midlandblb@cs.com