Brooklyn Trolley Efforts

Andy Nold · **Posted:** Fri Aug 08, 2003 10:27 am

The ARM parts newsletter recently passed along an email from the Brooklyn Navy Pier looking for parties interested in acquiring PCC cars. I couldn't figure out what cars they had until I did some digging and found out that things aren't going well for Bob Diamond and the Brooklyn Trolley group. I don't recall reading anything on here about that. Did this information slip under the radar, or was it just me? Anyone have the inside story, like Jan K. Lorenzen - doesn't he post here?

AN

tnold@northtexastransport.org

Jeff Gerlach · **Posted:** Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:14 am

You can read (at least part) of the sad story on the Brooklyn Historic Railway Association website news page.

Trolley Travails
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Andy Nold · **Posted:** Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:16 pm

Gee, what a series of setbacks. I can't believe that this has been occuring over the past few months and this is the first I've seen of it. Looks like the City of New York had a sudden and extreme reversal. I wonder if they hacked someone off who is now throwing their beauracratic weight around.

AN

> You can read (at least part) of the sad
> story on the Brooklyn Historic Railway
> Association website news page.

tnold@northtexastransport.org

Frank Hicks · **Posted:** Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:55 pm

> I wonder
> if they hacked someone off who is now
> throwing their beauracratic weight around.

I think the Brooklyn Historic Railway project hacked off the entire NYDOT. I think there have also been problems with the owners of some of the sites that BHRA inhabits. Jan Lorenzen is definitely "in the know" as he is co-founder of a BHRA splinter group also interested in establishing an historic railway in Brooklyn.

Frank Hicks

Preserved North American Electric Cars
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Tom Cox · **Posted:** Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:04 pm

When I feel the museum where I am a director has problems I then read a story like this and I realize we have no problems compared to this mess. Actually I should probably say cesspool.

tcox@parknet.pmh.org

Jan Lorenzen · **Posted:** Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:26 pm

Here's a link on today's Newsday article.

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/brooklyn/nyc-troll0809,0,2129495.story?coll=nyc-manheadlines-brooklyn
janklorenzen@msn.com

Charles · **Posted:** Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:44 am

The Brooklyn trolley group isn't the only transportation preservation group that has had a run in with the NYDOT. The saga of the SS Canadiana is similar.

Charles

http://www.olm1.com/~wny/buffalo/canadiana.html
bg23338@binghamton.edu

Evan · **Posted:** Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:40 am

Point of information. New York City DOT and New York State DOT are separate entities. BHRA's battle is with New York City DOT.

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