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| Author: | Rob Davis [ Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
The new issue of Trains has a piece on late steam ops in the south. The peice ont he BC&G confused me. I have two questions: 1. What is the list of BC&G survivng steam? 2. Was #14 really a USRA 0-8-0 with a pony truck added, as the article says? Thanks, Rob rdavis@rypn.org |
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| Author: | Tom Gears [ Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
Rob, You need to get a copy of the book titled "Buffalo Creek and Gauley" by William E. Warden (ISBN 1-878343-03-3). What remains are the three 2-8-0's #4, 13 & 14. But there are others as the "gob pile" engines were not considered BC&G but Elk River Coal and Lumber but they were all owned but the same company at one point. At least one of these engines is still around. The BC&G also operated a number of geared engines of which I think one or two might still be with us. I will have to do some checking when I get a chance. Tom |
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| Author: | L Beckman [ Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
> The new issue of Trains has a piece on late > steam ops in the south. The peice ont he > BC&G confused me. I have two questions: > 1. What is the list of BC&G survivng > steam? > 2. Was #14 really a USRA 0-8-0 with a pony > truck added, as the article says? > Thanks, > Rob Rob: Tom Lawson Jr. in a FROM THE STEAM LOCOMOTIVE ARCHIVES column that use to appear in the old THE SHORT LINE Magazine pretty much killed the idea that BC&G #14 was a converted 0-8-0. At the time, Tom said it was a rumor that just wouldn't go away. Apparently it has not gone away yet! Les Beckman (Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum/North Judson, Indiana) midlandblb@cs.com |
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| Author: | Mike Stillwell [ Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
The Climax now at Roaring Camp was tied to the BC&G, through their interchange with W.M. Ritter Lumber. Also Ritter Shay #19 Lima C/N 1568, now on display in Ohio was often photographed with the 2-8-0's in the last years of operation. Maybe Tom Shreve will see this and give us some more info on the Climax. Hope this helps, Mike > Rob, > You need to get a copy of the book titled > "Buffalo Creek and Gauley" by > William E. Warden (ISBN 1-878343-03-3). > What remains are the three 2-8-0's #4, 13 > & 14. But there are others as the > "gob pile" engines were not > considered BC&G but Elk River Coal and > Lumber but they were all owned but the same > company at one point. At least one of these > engines is still around. The BC&G also > operated a number of geared engines of which > I think one or two might still be with us. I > will have to do some checking when I get a > chance. > Tom Yenko117@yahoo.com |
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| Author: | John Bohon [ Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
One of the gob engines is on display in Huntington, WV as a B&O engine. It is a Savannah and Atlanta 2-8-2 but I do not remember the number. The tender frame of another S&A engine is behind the 4 at Spencer. When the old tank went bad a few years ago and was replaced with a new one the old tank was placed on the frame of their ACL 4-6-0 for static display. Thus one tender is serving two locomotives. jhbohon@yahoo.com |
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| Author: | L Beckman [ Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
> One of the gob engines is on display in > Huntington, WV as a B&O engine. It is a > Savannah and Atlanta 2-8-2 but I do not > remember the number. The tender frame of > another S&A engine is behind the 4 at > Spencer. When the old tank went bad a few > years ago and was replaced with a new one > the old tank was placed on the frame of > their ACL 4-6-0 for static display. Thus one > tender is serving two locomotives. The 2-8-2 on display in Huntington, WV is NOT a former Savannah & Atlanta locomotive but is actually former Toledo, Angola & Western Railway #100. There WAS a S&A 2-8-2 saved from the "gob pile" but that engine went to the LA&L in New York where it operated for a while until the LA&L, unfortunately, scrapped it. Les Beckman (HVRM) midlandblb@cs.com |
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| Author: | John Bohon [ Sun Aug 17, 2003 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
> The 2-8-2 on display in Huntington, WV is > NOT a former Savannah & Atlanta > locomotive but is actually former Toledo, > Angola & Western Railway #100. There WAS > a S&A 2-8-2 saved from the "gob > pile" but that engine went to the > LA&L in New York where it operated for a > while until the LA&L, unfortunately, > scrapped it. > Les Beckman (HVRM) I stand corrected. Does this make the 100 the only surviving TA&W steam locomotive? John jhbohon@yahoo.com |
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| Author: | Jim Robinson [ Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | BC&G 14 briefly born an 0-8-0 |
> Rob: Tom Lawson Jr. in a FROM THE STEAM > LOCOMOTIVE ARCHIVES column that use to > appear in the old THE SHORT LINE Magazine > pretty much killed the idea that BC&G > #14 was a converted 0-8-0. I have that issue of THE SHORT LINE (albeit not at hand) and also a later issue that supossedly rebuffs Mr. Lawson's rebuff of the notion that this engine started out as a 0-8-0. IIRC (I'll check the magazine tonight) the follow up stated (I believe with some degree of certainty) that ALCO built the locomotive to be their 0-8-0 plant switcher "Miss Liberty", but for whatever reason they diverted the engine (reworking it into a 2-8-0) to become Kelleys Creek & Northwestern 1. It was delivered to the KC&N with its switcher-style tender (I have seen a photo of the locomotive with this switcher-style tender on the KC&N in WV, so I tend to believe that 14 DID start out as a 0-8-0, albeit remained so very briefly). The Buffalo Creek & Gauley acquired it in 1954 and renumbered it 14 (BC&G 13 also came from the KC&N, where it had been their #6). IIRC the BC&G replaced 14's original tender with its present one, which I think came off an ex-C&O engine. All trusted sorces (Conrad, steamlocomotive.info, etc) do list the engine as being built for the KC&N as a 2-8-0 with no mention of the 0-8-0 to 2-8-0 conversion. Again, I'll check the information tonight since it's been a while since I read it last. Regards, Jim Robinson |
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| Author: | Jim Robinson [ Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | ERC&L "gob pile" 17 |
> There WAS > a S&A 2-8-2 saved from the "gob > pile" but that engine went to the > LA&L in New York where it operated for a > while until the LA&L, unfortunately, > scrapped it. The ex-S&A 2-8-2 that went to the Livonia Avon & Lakeville RR in NY was former Elk River Coal & Lumber 17. She ran only a season or two during the mid 1960's on the LA&L's tourist trains. 17 trailed an ex-PRR tender which was then placed behind ex-H&BTM 2-8-0 38 when that engine was acquired (from the Rail City Museum) to replace the ailing 17. 17 was scrapped around 1970. Regards, Jim Robinson |
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| Author: | B. Allan [ Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buffalo Creek & Gauley Questions |
> I stand corrected. Does this make the 100 > the only surviving TA&W steam > locomotive? > John This is the only known TA&W steam locomotive still in existance. Does anyone know what happened to the TA&W's Alco S-1, I had heard that it left Toledo on a flat car after the railroad was torn up. Thanks B.Allan http://www.cvsr.com cvsrkahuna@aol.com |
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