3 Museum Quality vintage trolleys for sale *PIC*

Casey Hill · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2003 3:23 pm

After holding onto his three IMMACULATE turn of the century Brill trolleys in dry storage for thirty years, Portland business developer Ole Lilleoren has finally decided to offer these pristine beauties for sale. Visit www.3trolleys.com for details!

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Wesley Paulson · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2003 4:03 pm

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Casey Hill · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:15 pm

Thest trolleys were brought to the United States in 1974 from Lisbon.

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Roger Mitchell · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:17 pm

What gauge are they. Most Lisbon cars were 42 inch gauge if I remember correctly.
Roger Mitchell
FCMRYS

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dave · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:17 pm

How much? Couldn't find the offer.

Dave

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Casey Hill · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:30 pm

From what I understand (and I'm only the marketing man) the trucks are 36-inch gauge. If you'd like to send me an email I'll print it and give it to the man who'd know for sure. We'll get that accurate info. to you ASAP.

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JimBoylan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:32 pm

> What gauge are they.<
I think that Lisbon is 9 decimetres, the same
as Washington Blvd. in Detoit, Mich. That's
just under 35-7/16 inches on an American ruler.
Oporto is standard gauge, like Railways to
Yesterday.

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Andy Nold · **Posted:** Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:03 am

I think they are waiting for you to make the offer, Dave. Good looking cars other than the gage problem. I see two brake wheels on one end of the car in one photo. Is that correct or an optical dillusion?

> How much? Couldn't find the offer.

> Dave

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dave · **Posted:** Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:54 am

Would that I had a place to use them now. Regaging shouldn't be too difficult. Single ended cars can be converted to double ended.

I saw the same thing as you - two brake wheels and an air valve. Overoverkill?

Dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

Frank Hicks · **Posted:** Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:31 pm

> I saw the same thing as you - two brake
> wheels and an air valve. Overoverkill?

The Lisbon car in Duluth, Minnesota that the Lake Superior Railroad Museum operates has the same arrangement: controller and air brake stand at each end, but one end has two hand brake wheels and the other end has none. Also, only one end has a canopy switch. I have no idea why.

Frank Hicks

Preserved North American Electric Railway Cars
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dave · **Posted:** Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:02 pm

Do Portuguese motormen have really long arms?

Dave

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Randall Hicks · **Posted:** Sat Sep 13, 2003 10:26 pm

> Do Portuguese motormen have really long
> arms?

> Dave

Maybe the cars are designed with an uphill end and a downhill end. On the uphill end stopping is easy; on the downhill end you need all the brakes you can get.

CC · **Posted:** Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:19 am

> I see two brake wheels on
> one end of the car in one photo. Is that
> correct or an optical dillusion?

No, its not an illusion. Lisbon has many severe grades, and the cars (electricos) used on these services had three brake systems. The service brake was an air brake operated by the valve in front of the driver. One of the two big wheels lowered the magnetic track brake ( Travaou Maley and Taunton ) onto the track, ready for magnetic brake application by putting the controller counter-clockwise from the OFF position, sort of like putting the motors into reverse. The other is a hand brake. At the top of a large hill, the driver (Guarda Freio) would stop the car, walk over to the left hand wheel, and apply that brake. Then he would proceed with a couple of compulsory stops on the way down the hill at special signs like double diamonds hung on the overhead wires. At the bottom of the hill he would then stop and walk over to disengage the left hand wheel. I think that the left-hand wheel was for the track brakes.

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