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Author:  John Stewart [ Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Tender floor thickness
Dear RYPN'ers;

Simple question for the experts:

We are slowly restoring a late 1800's tender; this winter hopefully we'll put a new floor, baffles and assorted stuff onto it.

Question: What thickness should a floor be? Is 5/16" to thin? Too thick? (not likely, but...)

Thanks;

John Stewart
Ottawa, Canada.

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Author:  Bob Yarger [ Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tender floor thickness
Tender from what? Tell us more, we'd all like to know.

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Author:  John Stewart [ Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tender floor thickness *PIC*
Bob;

I don't have my "Canadian Trackside Guide" in front of me, and I'm off on travel til Monday, so no real concrete details. (Maybe one of the other Bytown Railway Society members reading this can help me out?)

We have a working, coal fired 50 ton steam crane (Auxilliary) that came with a circa 1880 Grand trunk tender. The tender trucks have been rebuilt; these are arch-bar construction; new steps cast and installed, new stantions and end balls cast and machined and waiting for installation, etc,,.

We'd like to replace the floor, so that it can actually hold water, in a prototypical manner.

There was a brief a while ago with a picture of the tender coming apart, with the aid of the crane running on compressed air.

I have included the picture that was with that brief, here.

Thanks;

John Stewart.
Ottawa, Canada.

Image
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Author:  Bob Yarger [ Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:47 am ]
Post subject:  CV crane
That looks like the old CV crane from St. Albans, which some of my former co-workers used to operate, long ago.

> Bob;

> I don't have my "Canadian Trackside
> Guide" in front of me, and I'm off on
> travel til Monday, so no real concrete
> details. (Maybe one of the other Bytown
> Railway Society members reading this can
> help me out?)

> We have a working, coal fired 50 ton steam
> crane (Auxilliary) that came with a circa
> 1880 Grand trunk tender. The tender trucks
> have been rebuilt; these are arch-bar
> construction; new steps cast and installed,
> new stantions and end balls cast and
> machined and waiting for installation,
> etc,,.

> We'd like to replace the floor, so that it
> can actually hold water, in a prototypical
> manner.

> There was a brief a while ago with a picture
> of the tender coming apart, with the aid of
> the crane running on compressed air.

> I have included the picture that was with
> that brief, here.

> Thanks;

> John Stewart.
> Ottawa, Canada.


http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/railroad.htm
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Author:  John Stewart [ Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CV crane *PIC*
Bob;

I'm almost certain that it is. See, it is in good hands! It came to Ottawa before I did, but I seem to remember that it came from St. Albans way, if my memory for stories is correct.

John Stewart
Ottawa, Canada.

> That looks like the old CV crane from St.
> Albans, which some of my former co-workers
> used to operate, long ago.


Image
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Author:  Kelly [ Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tender floor thickness
A quick check in the Locomotive Cyclopedia shows a range from 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick, with most being at the thinner end of that range. A small tender like that was probably built with a 1/4" floor.
Author:  C. C. [ Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tender floor thickness
The floor for the new tender tank for #464 at Huckleberry is 3/8" thick. We used a single piece about 8 feet by 22 feet.

> Dear RYPN'ers;

> Simple question for the experts:

> We are slowly restoring a late 1800's
> tender; this winter hopefully we'll put a
> new floor, baffles and assorted stuff onto
> it.

> Question: What thickness should a floor be?
> Is 5/16" to thin? Too thick? (not
> likely, but...)

> Thanks;

> John Stewart
> Ottawa, Canada.


clica@xieee.org
Author:  Neil Robertson [ Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CV Crane
From the Guide: ex CV 50-Ton Steam Crane 4251, built 1919, Industrial Brownhoist 3850.
Tender: ex CV 4264, built 1887, was tender from CV 4-4-0 52, previously 33.
Also: Boom Car ex CV 4313, built 1927, exx 9591, nee CV 7600.
HY-RAIL: GM/FAIRMONT (Pontiac Station Wagon) built 1958, ex CN 26, nee CV 26.
All items acquired by the Bytown Railway Society in 1967.

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Author:  John E. Rimmasch [ Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tender floor thickness
>John,

Your co-workers at the Heber Valley Railroad (for those of you who do not know...John S. is a volunteer at the HVRR and was part of the 2002 Winter Steam Team at the 2002 Winter Games) are building a new Tender for the 75. The floor is made from 5 5 foot by 10 foot 3/8 inch thick sheets. The shides are two sheets of 5 foot by 25 foot by 1/4 inch thick plates, (no weld joints in the side tender walls) The back sheet is one sheet of 5 foot by 8 foot 3/8 inch plate and the top is two sheets of 5 foot by 25 foot 1/4 inch. Notes, we reviewed as Keely A did the Locomotive Cylopidia for info. (1904 edition)

The tender is about 1000 gallons larger than the old tank. Roller bearings are being added with new axles and 33 inch wheels. The coal buncker is a bit smaller than the old tank and the new tank has three built-in tool boxes (very nice addition) It also has a built in water glass to meet the new regs.

Now get this, the entire tank so far.....under $5,000.USD We deal with a steel surplus dealer in Salt Lake. 90% of the material for this tank was plate that was cut for other customers and sent back for whatever reason. Most of the time the reason for the return was wrong dimensional cuts.....we pick the plate up BRAND NEW for 15% above daily scrap rate!

You may want to contact Mike Lewis at HVRR for current pictures of plate on the floor and so on. Tank and engine No 75 will be back on the road by January 1, 2004.

Also, John, I would like a minute with you on the phone if you get home and get a minute, you have my numbers....

John E. Rimmasch
HVRR

The floor for the new tender tank for #464
> at Huckleberry is 3/8" thick. We used a
> single piece about 8 feet by 22 feet.


jrimmasch@yahoo.com
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