For those interested, all the parts and pieces of the 1702 have been shipped back to Dillsboro. This includes the 4 wheelsets with all new axles, 6 of 8 crank pins replaced, 8 new driving boxes with CDA 945 crown brass, and 8 newly fabricated oil cellars.

If you attended the recent ARM convention, you had the opportunity to hear a detailed explanation on why the roller bearings failed. The presentation was made by Brian Cave, Chief Engineer of the Timken Company. Brian went on to say that Timken currently does not make a bearing suitable for steam locomotive driving wheel service. I guess Kid Friction will live on...

Meanwhile, work continues on with the CN 3254 wheels. We also still working on wheels for the FEC 0-8-0 #253 and our next project will be K&T 0-6-0 #14. The NKP #765 wheels have returned to Ft. Wayne ready for installation.

See all of you at TRAIN.

G. Mark - TVRM

TVRM Shop Updates by Steve Freer
aw90@comcast.net

"Timken currently does not make a bearing suitable for steam locomotive driving wheel service."

Mark:
I wasn't at ARM, but I'd like to know more. Does this mean that Timken is no longer interested in supplying these bearings? Are there other manufacturers out there? Likely there aren't many with the history and folklore of Timken. Did Timken pay for any of the retrofit? Likely that's none of our business, but I assume that they thought their product was fit for that purpose at the time of sale.

Thanks in advance.

Scott



shawsinoly@aol.com

> If you attended the recent ARM convention,
> you had the opportunity to hear a detailed
> explanation on why the roller bearings
> failed. The presentation was made by Brian
> Cave, Chief Engineer of the Timken Company.

For those of us that didn't attend the ARM conference, is there any transcript of Mr. Cave's presentation available?

Strasburg Rail Road
kelly@strasburgrailroad.com

We also still working on wheels
> for the FEC 0-8-0 #253 and our next project
> will be K&T 0-6-0 #14.

Why are wheels being turned for FEC 253? Is this engine being rebuilt to run again? Is the rest of the engine still in the Miami area?


ryarger@rypn.org

Is
> this engine being rebuilt to run again? Is
> the rest of the engine still in the Miami
> area?

Apparently Yes and Yes, judging from this Web site:

http://www.fecrs.com/FEC253.html#intro


Florida East Coast Railway Society
eledbetter@rypn.org

I'd like to know more too - perhaps it can be retreaded at TRAIN?

Recent discussion on the SteamTech list included New Zealand steam guys using SKF rollers in driver applications with success.

Dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

> For those interested, all the parts and
> pieces of the 1702 have been shipped back to
> Dillsboro. This includes the 4 wheelsets
> with all new axles, 6 of 8 crank pins
> replaced, 8 new driving boxes with CDA 945
> crown brass, and 8 newly fabricated oil
> cellars.

> If you attended the recent ARM convention,
> you had the opportunity to hear a detailed
> explanation on why the roller bearings
> failed. The presentation was made by Brian
> Cave, Chief Engineer of the Timken Company.
> Brian went on to say that Timken currently
> does not make a bearing suitable for steam
> locomotive driving wheel service. I guess
> Kid Friction will live on...

> Meanwhile, work continues on with the CN
> 3254 wheels. We also still working on wheels
> for the FEC 0-8-0 #253 and our next project
> will be K&T 0-6-0 #14. The NKP #765
> wheels have returned to Ft. Wayne ready for
> installation.

G. Mark:

Clarification please. I assume by K&T you are talking about the Kentucky & Tennessee Railroad. But K&T had Mikes, numbers 10, 11 and 12 at the end of steam. Number 10 survives at TVRM and #12 is the famous ex-Southern 2-8-2 that became Southern #4501 again (also at TVRM.) K&T did not have a 0-6-0 at the end. Morehead & North Fork however DID have an 0-6-0 numbered 14 at the end of steam; ex-Union Railroad #77. This locomotive was used on a tourist type operation somewhere but I am not sure what its current status is. So...is your next project K&T 2-8-2 #10 or M&NF 0-6-0 #14, or something else entirely?. Thanks!

> See all of you at TRAIN.

> G. Mark - TVRM


midlandblb@cs.com

> Clarification please. I assume by K&T
> you are talking about the Kentucky &
> Tennessee Railroad. But K&T had Mikes,
> numbers 10, 11 and 12 at the end of steam.
> Number 10 survives at TVRM and #12 is the
> famous ex-Southern 2-8-2 that became
> Southern #4501 again (also at TVRM.) K&T
> did not have a 0-6-0 at the end. Morehead
> & North Fork however DID have an 0-6-0
> numbered 14 at the end of steam; ex-Union
> Railroad #77. This locomotive was used on a
> tourist type operation somewhere but I am
> not sure what its current status is. So...is
> your next project K&T 2-8-2 #10 or
> M&NF 0-6-0 #14, or something else
> entirely?. Thanks!

M&NF #14 went to the Union RR as #77 then to Tombstone Jct. (Cumberland Falls Ky) as #77 then sold at auction to K&T after the operation shut down. Sorry I don't remember the year.

Whitewater Valley Railroad
lumpy72@msn.com

Dave,

SKF also supplied the roller bearings for the nearly 100 Garratts that were modernized and returned to service in Zimbabwe in the 1980's.

I'm pretty sure the A-1 steam project in the UK (a new full-sized 4-6-2 presently under construction) is equipped with SKF bearings also.

Regards,
Hugh

> I'd like to know more too - perhaps it can
> be retreaded at TRAIN?

> Recent discussion on the SteamTech list
> included New Zealand steam guys using SKF
> rollers in driver applications with success.

> Dave


The Ultimate Steam Page
whodom2001@yahoo.com

Actually Union #77 Became M&NF #!4, which went to Tombstone Junction RR, was sold to Big South Fork Senic RR back in the mid 1990s. I guess they are going to paint it up as K&T #14, maybe not.

david.wilkins@bardstown.com

> Actually Union #77 Became M&NF #!4,
> which went to Tombstone Junction RR, was
> sold to Big South Fork Senic RR back in the
> mid 1990s. I guess they are going to paint
> it up as K&T #14, maybe not.

So it truly is "Old #77"......

Whitewater Valley Railroad
lumpy72@msn.com

> For those interested, all the parts and
> pieces of the 1702 have been shipped back to
> Dillsboro. This includes the 4 wheelsets
> with all new axles, 6 of 8 crank pins
> replaced, 8 new driving boxes with CDA 945
> crown brass, and 8 newly fabricated oil
> cellars.

> If you attended the recent ARM convention,
> you had the opportunity to hear a detailed
> explanation on why the roller bearings
> failed. The presentation was made by Brian
> Cave, Chief Engineer of the Timken Company.
> Brian went on to say that Timken currently
> does not make a bearing suitable for steam
> locomotive driving wheel service. I guess
> Kid Friction will live on...

> Meanwhile, work continues on with the CN
> 3254 wheels. We also still working on wheels
> for the FEC 0-8-0 #253 and our next project
> will be K&T 0-6-0 #14. The NKP #765
> wheels have returned to Ft. Wayne ready for
> installation.

> See all of you at TRAIN.

> G. Mark - TVRM
SKF rollers were used on one of the two S.P. GS-5's, but can not recall if it was 4458 or 4459. The other one had Timkens. Which axles on the 1702 had failed rollers?? Did grease vs. oil as lubricant have anything to do with the failure?

justighe@bright.net