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Author:  T.J. Gaffney [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Stained Glass Pullman-Style windows *PIC*

Hello-

With all this talk of fine crafts and the need for people knowledgable about fading trades, it occurred that I have something in my own possession which may be of help to other groups do wood car repair. I'm in the process of moving to a new place, and in doing so, it reminded me of a set of half-circle stained glass panels I have which came out of a GTW combine, #7293, which was scrapped in London, Ontario in the 1960's. Three of these are complete, and I have pieces of a couple of others that one could fairly easily replace missing slag glass in between and get a full set. I plan on keeping these, but I would be happy to loan one of them as a pattern for measurements for similar cars that need preservation. A picture of these can be found in the Dorin GTW book on page 105, the upper photo, and I would be happy to take shots and send of what they look like now: I use a couple as a backlit transom window in my current kitchen, and they are goin with me ;-).

I am sure there are other examples, but these same style windows are in the Lake Superior & Ishpeming No. 63 at Green Bay, and are somewhat similar to Great Northern #3261 and Lake Superior & Ishpeming #64 at Mid-Continent. Below are the windows from the GN car: put them together (no wood divider in between) and you have what I'm talking about, but more colorful and ornate. They have yellow-brown slag glass, with two thin dividers on either end and a more ornate panel in the middle.

T.J. Gaffney


Port Huron Museum
Image
tjgaffney@phmuseum.org

Author:  T.J. Gaffney [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stained Glass: Cranbrook?

The thought just occurred to me that these may also have been used in the "Omemee" or "Curzon", the "Soo-Spokane Train-Deluxe" cars at the Canadian Museum of Rail Transport in Cranbrook. Does anybody know how the restoration of these cars are coming, or how to get in touch with someone there?

TJ


Port Huron Museum
tjgaffney@phmuseum.org

Author:  Ted Anderson [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stained Glass Pullman-Style windows

> Hello-

> With all this talk of fine crafts and the
> need for people knowledgable about fading
> trades, it occurred that I have something in
> my own possession which may be of help to
> other groups do wood car repair. I'm in the
> process of moving to a new place, and in
> doing so, it reminded me of a set of
> half-circle stained glass panels I have
> which came out of a GTW combine, #7293,
> which was scrapped in London, Ontario in the
> 1960's. Three of these are complete, and I
> have pieces of a couple of others that one
> could fairly easily replace missing slag
> glass in between and get a full set. I plan
> on keeping these, but I would be happy to
> loan one of them as a pattern for
> measurements for similar cars that need
> preservation. A picture of these can be
> found in the Dorin GTW book on page 105, the
> upper photo, and I would be happy to take
> shots and send of what they look like now: I
> use a couple as a backlit transom window in
> my current kitchen, and they are goin with
> me ;-).

> I am sure there are other examples, but
> these same style windows are in the Lake
> Superior & Ishpeming No. 63 at Green
> Bay, and are somewhat similar to Great
> Northern #3261 and Lake Superior &
> Ishpeming #64 at Mid-Continent. Below are
> the windows from the GN car: put them
> together (no wood divider in between) and
> you have what I'm talking about, but more
> colorful and ornate. They have yellow-brown
> slag glass, with two thin dividers on either
> end and a more ornate panel in the middle.

> T.J. Gaffney

Without looking up the drawings which are by plan number for this car, the Illinois Railway Museum's Pullman Library has a drawing for this style window, dimensions measuring the outer lead beads of 45 1/4 inch wide by 8 inch vertical chord, 46 1/2" by 9" to the frame. This dimensional drawing and the glass samples from the actual window should make an accurate restoration for a replacement window of these dimensions! There are a few other window designs in the library as well, but this one is very typical of that era. As a matter of fact, this is the same upper window for the 1906 Boston & Maine cafe coach that I am restoring (gradually) at IRM. I could use a few samples to check out the local stained glass shops!
Ted Anderson, IRM coach dept volunteer & Pullman Library curator

tedander@core.com

Author:  Mike Nowell [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stained Glass: Cranbrook?

TJ

Here is a link to their web pages.

Mike


The Canadian Museum of Rail Travel

Author:  ge13031 [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Stained Glass Pullman-Style windows

Some really beautiful windows show up in the links above. I was suprised to see so many sources of the zinc caming used in these jobbies. I've worked with lead and copper but never zinc. The wide selection of glass available should make a close match possible. Do the Pullman records indicate who they bought their glass from ??


lamontdc@adelphia.net

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