All the talk here about 1401 has got me thinking about big SR steam.My question is would it be possible to make one of the surviving Frisco 4-8-2s into a credible Southern TS class replica.I know they were both built by Baldwin.Or are they entirely different machines like say C&O and L&N 2-8-4s were.Did anyone in the early days of the Southern steam excursion program consider this after being denied the 1401? TVRM is supposed to be making a PS-2 class Pacific out of CN 5288,maybe someone else could do something similar since the southeast is so devoid of big steam locomotives.I am not talking about operation,just a nice museum display.

wink638@aol.com

If all you want to do is build a display piece of an extinct class, why not do what Maj. Pangborn did and construct a new display model of different material. Pangborn's models were wood, because that was available, but a current 1:1 styrene model wouldn't be out of the question.

Maj. Pangborn also tried to represent an 1832 engine with a modified 1836 engine and the Museum still has to explain what he did.

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The only thing that bothers me with this, is you still have a Frisco 4-8-2, disguised as something it isn't. For me, the illusion doesn't run quite so deep. However, I do recall some talk of the TVRM plans to revive their newly purchased CN Pacific as some semblence of a PS-4. Is that all wet, or is there truth in that statement? How far along is the CN Pacific toward restoration?

glueck@maine.edu

> The only thing that bothers me with this, is
> you still have a Frisco 4-8-2, disguised as
> something it isn't. For me, the illusion
> doesn't run quite so deep. However, I do
> recall some talk of the TVRM plans to revive
> their newly purchased CN Pacific as some
> semblence of a PS-4. Is that all wet, or is
> there truth in that statement? How far along
> is the CN Pacific toward restoration?
Did ANY light USRA 4-8-2's survive?

justighe@bright.net

How far along
> is the CN Pacific toward restoration?

Hopefully someone from TVRM will confirm or correct, but my impression was that they brought the CN 4-6-2 down from Scranton and mothballed her for another day. I think Southern Railway 630 and contract work are keeping them plenty busy right now.


eledbetter@rypn.org

The Frisco 1500 class were considerably bigger than a light USRA 4-8-2, even though the boiler contour resembles the USRA. For years people have written about the Frisco "USRA Heavy Mikes", meaning the 4100s which were the sister freight engines to the 1500s. These weren't USRA engines either. The only USRAs on the Frisco were 33 light 2-8-2s and 7 0-6-0s.
All of that being said, why would you want to dummy up a perfectly beautiful Frisco 4-8-2 to represent something she isn't? If your wife was Kim Basinger, would you have her made over to look like Rosie O'Donnell?


frisco1522@sbcglobal.net

> The Frisco 1500 class were considerably
> bigger than a light USRA 4-8-2, even though
> the boiler contour resembles the USRA. For
> years people have written about the Frisco
> "USRA Heavy Mikes", meaning the
> 4100s which were the sister freight engines
> to the 1500s. These weren't USRA engines
> either. The only USRAs on the Frisco were 33
> light 2-8-2s and 7 0-6-0s.
> All of that being said, why would you want
> to dummy up a perfectly beautiful Frisco
> 4-8-2 to represent something she isn't? If
> your wife was Kim Basinger, would you have
> her made over to look like Rosie O'Donnell?
There are several unappreciated Frisco 4-8-2s and I would like to see something represent the steam glory days of my hometown railroad.But the Southern didn't save any Heavy 2-8-2s,2-8-8-2s or 4-8-2s.I thought a Frisco 1500 class was the only way close to bringing back a big Southern looking engine. For example during the Southern excursion years just how upset would people have got if Frisco 1522 had wore Southern green with 4501's coal tender and a 1400 series number for 1 year and ran out of places like Knoxville,Asheville and Bristol.

wink638@aol.com

At the moment, the backshop crew is indeed busy with the restoration of the 630 and other projects. Nothing significant has been done to the 5288 as yet. 5288 and 4501 are stored at East Chattanooga presently. I think that there are plans for the 4501 to be part of the restored Discovery Trail but do not know for certain.

awalker2002@comcast.net

> to dummy up a perfectly beautiful Frisco
> 4-8-2 to represent something she isn't? If
> your wife was Kim Basinger, would you have
> her made over to look like Rosie O'Donnell?

Rosie O'Donnell? Sir, you would compare a Ts-1 to Rosie O'Donnell?

I bow to no man in my admiration for Frisco 1500s, but the Southern 1400s do not deserve that insult!

Choose your weapon, Don, and meet me at the Duelling Oak at Dawn . . . ;-)

JAC

Alan, or anyone else, could you tell me what this is? Thanks!

Joshua

Surviving D&H Non-EMDs

Merely an analogy John. In retrospect, perhaps I should have chosen the latter example more carefully. I had no intent to besmirch the TS-1s.
Southern had some great equipment and I admire them, but my Frisco blood always rises to the top.
There was some half baked scheme some years ago for us to "Southernize" the 1522 for some nefarious activity on the NS, but we took the high road and opted out.

frisco1522@sbcglobal.net

Discovery Trail is the name of the walking tour at East Chattanooga. The tour was guided when enough volunteers were on hand but could also be self guided. It included entry into the shop as far as current projects allowed. Discovery Trail was discontinued several years ago.

John

jhbohon@yahoo.com

> There was some half baked scheme some years
> ago for us to "Southernize" the
> 1522 for some nefarious activity on the NS,
> but we took the high road and opted out.

Thank God. As much as I love the Ts1's, that would have been a bit of a slap. It would have been a good excuse to move those boiler mounted air tanks, though! As a purist, I've always been glad that A&WP 290 never became "Southern 290" or some other such nonsense. She does just fine being herself. However, Bill did some very nice things with 2716. I think his comment on the "Chessie" look was, "what a god-awful place to put a headlight!"


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