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| Author: | John Craft [ Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Is there a headlight expert in the house? |
Can someone tell me who manufactured the "typically Canadian" headlights used on CNR and CPR steam locomotives? Are they the same as those used by the N&W prior to the end of WWII, as they appear to be? What model of headlight did N&W buy when it started replacing these headlights after WWII? (Pyle-National or Sunbeam, just not sure which.) Finally, two questions for speculation: I'm struck by similarities in appearance of pre-WWII appearance of CPR, CNR and N&W front ends, namely, the big headlight with no indicators and the "slice of pie" to hold the numbers. I can see why CNR and CPR might look alike, but why would N&W, alone among US carriers, adopt this look when it converted from oil to electric headlights? JAC |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | No expert but...... |
> Can someone tell me who manufactured the > "typically Canadian" headlights > used on CNR and CPR steam locomotives? As I recall, these "tomato soup cans" were Pyle-National (or whatever Canandian licensee they had-- McAvity or H.L.Piper?). > Are they the same as those used by the > N&W prior to the end of WWII, as they > appear to be? That was a standard style of P-N light, so I suspect they were the same. > What model of headlight did N&W buy when > it started replacing these headlights after > WWII? (Pyle-National or Sunbeam, just not > sure which.) A friend of mine has an N&W A-class headlight; it's a cast aluminum Pyle-National, with angled number boards and no visor. > Finally, two questions for speculation: I'm > struck by similarities in appearance of > pre-WWII appearance of CPR, CNR and N&W > front ends, namely, the big headlight with > no indicators and the "slice of > pie" to hold the numbers. I can see why > CNR and CPR might look alike, but why would > N&W, alone among US carriers, adopt this > look when it converted from oil to electric > headlights? Probably because the headlight without numberboards was cheaper, and the wedge-type number indicator was an easy item to make in the railroad's tin-shop. > JAC hpincus@mindspring.com |
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| Author: | Pat Fahey [ Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: No expert but...... |
> As I recall, these "tomato soup > cans" were Pyle-National (or whatever > Canandian licensee they had-- McAvity or > H.L.Piper?). > That was a standard style of P-N light, so I > suspect they were the same. > A friend of mine has an N&W A-class > headlight; it's a cast aluminum > Pyle-National, with angled number boards and > no visor. > Probably because the headlight without > numberboards was cheaper, and the wedge-type > number indicator was an easy item to make in > the railroad's tin-shop. I OWN AND CPR headlight,,,off an # 1200 pacific,,and it is pyle-national,,,,as for Mc Avity they made steam whistle's for CNR,,,,not headlight's,,,,if they made these headlight's show me some proof...for either CNR,,or CPR...thank you Pat cprh1b@concast.net |
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| Author: | Jim Herron [ Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: No expert but...... |
I have a Sunbeam headlight with the "slice of pie" on the top from the Georgia & Florida Ry, engine unknown. When I was on my honeymoon in 1971, we stopped in Douglas, GA to visit some of my wife's relatives. One of them had owned a blacksmith shop near the G&F shops and had acquired a headlight and mounted it on the roof of his shop. Long closed, he gave me the headlight when i asked what he going to do with it. It is an ugly thing, though. As for N&W, I don't know if their's were also Sunbeams but they look identical in photos. The post WWII N&W headlights were definitely P-N as I had one of them, too. Jim Herron Herron Rail Video hrvideo@mindspring.com |
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| Author: | John Craft [ Sat Dec 06, 2003 9:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there a headlight expert in the house? |
Thanks, everyone. JAC |
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| Author: | Pete [ Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is there a headlight expert in the house? |
> Can someone tell me who manufactured the > "typically Canadian" headlights > used on CNR and CPR steam locomotives? > Are they the same as those used by the > N&W prior to the end of WWII, as they > appear to be? > What model of headlight did N&W buy when > it started replacing these headlights after > WWII? (Pyle-National or Sunbeam, just not > sure which.) > Finally, two questions for speculation: I'm > struck by similarities in appearance of > pre-WWII appearance of CPR, CNR and N&W > front ends, namely, the big headlight with > no indicators and the "slice of > pie" to hold the numbers. I can see why > CNR and CPR might look alike, but why would > N&W, alone among US carriers, adopt this > look when it converted from oil to electric > headlights? > JAC GE, Crouse-Hinds, Pyle-National, ESSCo (Electric Services Suppy Co), to name a few. Don't know what CNR or CPR specifically used, but probably more than one nanufacturer. |
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| Author: | Aarne H. Frobom [ Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Sunbeams on the GTW? |
I recall seeing a collection of headlights from 1920's and 1930's GTW engines. These were not the usual cast-aluminum or cast-iron Pyle-national headlights, but were made of sheet metal, perhaps copper, with bronze castings riveted on for the bezels and feet. I do not recall the manufacturer with certainty, but it may have been Sunbeam. Pretty sure it wasn't Golden Glow. Nor do I know if CN used the same headlights, but they looked very similar. The same collector had one of the V-shaped numberboards, and that seemed to have been homemade. Aarne Frobom The Steam Railroading Institute P. O. Box 665 Owosso, Michigan |
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| Author: | T.J. Gaffney [ Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sunbeams on the GTW? |
Next obvious question----is the collector still with us, and does he have relatives that will appreciate said collection? TJ > I recall seeing a collection of headlights > from 1920's and 1930's GTW engines. These > were not the usual cast-aluminum or > cast-iron Pyle-national headlights, but were > made of sheet metal, perhaps copper, with > bronze castings riveted on for the bezels > and feet. I do not recall the manufacturer > with certainty, but it may have been > Sunbeam. Pretty sure it wasn't Golden Glow. > Nor do I know if CN used the same > headlights, but they looked very similar. > The same collector had one of the V-shaped > numberboards, and that seemed to have been > homemade. > Aarne Frobom > The Steam Railroading Institute > P. O. Box 665 > Owosso, Michigan tjgaffney@phmuseum.org |
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