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Author:  T.J. Gaffney [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Marquette & Huron Mountain: again. *PIC*

We keep coming back to this, and maybe someone has already addressed this, but does anyone have their all-time roster of equipment? Below is what I have been able to determine:

LS&I 2-8-0's: All purchased in 1963, most out of service by 1969.

#18- Now at Grand Canyon, operable
#19- Was on display at Las Vegas, now to Grand Canyon?
#20- To Grand Canyon, on Display.
#21- Sat in Marquette for number of years, recently purchased by unknown individual and moved?
#22- Undergoing restoration at Mid-Continent, privately owned.
#23- Now at Catskill Mountain Railroad, Boyceville, NY.
#29- Operable at Grand Canyon
#32- Purchased by the Air Force at 1984 auction. Currents whereabouts unknown?
#33- Purchased by Hocking Valley Scenic, traded to Ohio Central for a diesel, undergoing restoration at their Morgan Run Shops.
#34-?
#35- Purchased and moved to Illinois Railway Museum, stored pending eventual cosmetic restoration.

ROLLING STOCK:

COPPER RANGE #60: Leased to M&HM (according to Mid-Continent website) during early 1970's, then taken back for Kewennaw Central Tourist Operation. Purchased an moved to Mid-Continent in 1982 when that operation closed after Copper Range abandonment. Recently underwent major restoration.

GREEN BAY & WESTERN #109- Sold to M&HM in 1964. Purchased by Illinois Railway Museum in 1985. There awaiting restoration. Understand that this had some sort of bay window put in so that it could be used as a caboose at GB&W?

GREEN BAY & WESTERN #8020- Purchased in 1964 by M&HM. In 1985, the car was purchased by Mid-Continent members. Now used at North Freedom for storage of locomotive parts. (per Mid-Continent website)

KEWANUEE, GREEN BAY & WESTERN #77- Sold to M&HM in 1964, purchased by Mid-Continent in 1985 auction. Today, #77 serves as a work shop and tool and material storage for steam locomotive LS&I #22 at North Freedom.

LAKE SUPERIOR & ISHPEMING #64- Sold to M&HM in 1964, purchased by Mid-Continent in 1985. #64 is presently stored for future restoration. (sister car is at Green Bay, though never owned by M&HM)

O.K., what else was there? I know they lost a bobber caboose in a fire in the late 1960's, but have found no history. Anybody? Also, there are two steel cars still on M&HM property which are in DIRE need of a saviour. Any idea their history?
one has the number of #2393, which I'm guessing is in reference to its heritage. Picture below. Also link below to the Marquette & Huron Mountain website link of Dale Berry below.


Marquette & Huron Mountain
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Author:  Matt [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Marquette & Huron Mountain: again.

#34 is now operating on the Western Maryland Scenic as WMSR #734. It was given a new tender and a facelift to resemble similar WM 2-8-0s.

> #33- Purchased by Hocking Valley Scenic,
> traded to Ohio Central for a diesel,
> undergoing restoration at their Morgan Run
> Shops.
> #34-?
> #35- Purchased and moved to Illinois Railway
> Museum, stored pending eventual cosmetic
> restoration.


Goose Creek Railroad
gcrralh@aol.com

Author:  T.J. Gaffney [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Marquette & Huron Mountain: again. *PIC*

Just got an email about the ex-LS&I equipment below now at NRM at Green Bay. As far as I knew, these came to Green Bay originally, and were never at M&HM. If someone knows different, please let me know:

Lake Superior & Ishpeming No. 24 - 2-8-0

Lake Superior & Ishpeming No. 62 (Vern Bushman)-
Coach

Lake Superior & Ishpeming No. 63- Coach



Marquette & Huron Mountain
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Author:  o anderson [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Marquette & Huron Mountain: again.

IRM also got the lightweight C&NW combine 7700 and I believe the heavyweight DM&IR coach 84 from the M&HM. The wood Green Bay coach has a bay window and a varnished picnic table that runs the length of the car. I recall that a pancake special or something like that was run on the line.

Author:  Joshua [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Marquette & Huron Mountain: again.

The picture of the line of engines is amazing.
What brought about the auction in 1984? Am I to understand that the engines sat like that for 15 years? Any serious vandalism?

#23 is undergoing a slow restoration.

Why would the Air Force buy an engine?

Joshua

Author:  Steve Freer [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:  target practice?

> Why would the Air Force buy an engine?

Any possibility it was for target practice? K&T #11 was used as such in 1963 at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Of the three steamers at K&T in use up to that time (K&T #'s 10,11,12), #10 is at TVRM as well as #12 (better known as SR #4501!)

sfreer@tvrail.com

Author:  Frank Hicks [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Marquette & Huron Mountain: again. *PIC*

> IRM also got the lightweight C&NW
> combine 7700 and I believe the heavyweight
> DM&IR coach 84 from the M&HM.

Correct. The wooden ex-GB&W car was actually M&HM 110, not 109; it's on display at IRM currently (it still has its bay window). M&HM 100 has been repainted as C&NW 7700 and is in regular service (see photo below), and M&HM 103 has been restored as DM&IR 84 and is also in regular service at IRM. There are photos of these three cars in M&HM paint in the recent 50th Anniversary Issue of the IRM newsletter.

BTW, I believe that LS&I 63 at Green Bay is neither a coach nor identical to 64 at North Freedom; if I'm thinking of the right car, 63 is a wooden combine (though built by the same company as 64).

Frank Hicks

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F-Hicks@wiu.edu

Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Dumb guess on coach 2393

Based on windows, roof design, and number series, I'm laying my money (all 2 cents) on an Erie Stilwell.

LNER4472-NOSPAM-@bcpl.net

Author:  Larry Shiplett [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dumb guess on coach 2393

Based on windows, roof design, and number
> series, I'm laying my money (all 2 cents) on
> an Erie Stilwell.
The Whitewater Valley RR purchased,at auction, three coaches in 1985. CNW 7718 a combine and
Erie Stillwell 2331. There was also an other Stillwell scraped on site. The photo has the same style windows as 2331.

pls1632@hotmail.com

Author:  Bob Yarger [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: target practice?

I was thinking that the target practice took place at Eglin AFB in Florida. Wasn't there a C&O 2-8-0 destroyed that way also? Somewhere, I've seen a photo of one of these engines after the bomb damage, but can't remember which one or where I saw it.

> Any possibility it was for target practice?
> K&T #11 was used as such in 1963 at the
> Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Of the three
> steamers at K&T in use up to that time
> (K&T #'s 10,11,12), #10 is at TVRM as
> well as #12 (better known as SR #4501!)


ryarger@rypn.org

Author:  Joshua [ Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: target practice?

Bob:

Quite right! This engine is what I thought of when I first read of the disposition of the ex LS&I engine to the Air Force. It was in a TRAINS magazine from the 60s or the 70s in the "Would you believe it?" section. The caption suggested a C&O heritage. That's what I couldn't fathom why the Air Force buying a 2-8-0 for target practice, particualarly in the 1980s. Sheesh!

Joshua

Author:  Mid-West Locomotive & [ Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Marquette & Huron Mountain: again.

LS&I # 21 was moved to our shop at North Lake, WI in the begining of October. It was purchased by a father and son with plans to restore it. The # 21 is currently sitting with it boiler on a flatcar some work on it will start this spring. A former LS&I shorty caboose was sold at the auction to the Santa Cruz Big Trees and Pacific.

greenchili@tds.net

Author:  Kevin Gillespie [ Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:59 am ]
Post subject:  Your Tax Dollars At Work!!! *NM*

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Author:  David Farlow [ Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dumb guess on coach 2393

> Based on windows, roof design, and number
> The Whitewater Valley RR purchased,at
> auction, three coaches in 1985. CNW 7718 a
> combine and
> Erie Stillwell 2331. There was also an other
> Stillwell scraped on site. The photo has the
> same style windows as 2331.

To go one step further, it is likely that this is a former Chicago & Western Indiana Stillwell purchased secondhand from the Erie.

David Farlow

hudson.industries@att.net

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