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Author:	Dave Hensarling [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:19 am ]
Post subject:	Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
Hello. This is one of those things that I'm not sure where to start looking for, so I thought I'd start here. I am in need of a copy of the blueprints/drawings for the Sellers 1922 non-lifting injector, so that some new components can be machined for the one being used in the restoration of an ALCO 2-8-0 in New Jersey. If you have any questions, or need more information, please contact me off-list at the email above. Thanks in advance for your assistance. dh dave@hensarling.org

Author:	CP O'Shea [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
> Hello. > This is one of those things that I'm not > sure where to start looking for, so I > thought I'd start here. > I am in need of a copy of the > blueprints/drawings for the Sellers 1922 > non-lifting injector, so that some new > components can be machined for the one being > used in the restoration of an ALCO 2-8-0 in > New Jersey. Hmmmm... a certain 1937 Alco 2-8-0 the carries the initials GWSC on the deck plate, perhaps? Fiv4HghStk@aol.com

Author:	dave [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:45 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
I assume you have tried the obvious and contacted Backshop and Strasburg? dave irondave@bellsouth.net

Author:	Kelly [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors PIC
Dave, The Strasburg Rail Road acquired all of the extant Sellers injector blueprints about twenty years ago from the company that succeeded Sellers. We use those blueprints to make our SRC (Sellers) 10.5 KNL non-lifting injectors, our SRC (Sellers) 8.5 N lifting injectors, and parts for any other size or style injector (with a few exceptions). Since we use these blueprints to earn a living, we must consider them proprietary information, and cannot release them. I would, however be glad to quote a price for any part you might need. Kelly Anderson 717-687-8421 Strasburg Rail Road kelly@strasburgrailroad.com

Author:	CP O'Shea [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
> Dave, > The Strasburg Rail Road acquired all of the > extant Sellers injector blueprints about > twenty years ago from the company that > succeeded Sellers. We use those blueprints > to make our SRC (Sellers) 10.5 KNL > non-lifting injectors, our SRC (Sellers) 8.5 > N lifting injectors, and parts for any other > size or style injector (with a few > exceptions). > Since we use these blueprints to earn a > living, we must consider them proprietary > information, and cannot release them. I > would, however be glad to quote a price for > any part you might need. > Kelly Anderson > 717-687-8421 Kelly, Just out of interest, how much does each new injector go for? Fiv4HghStk@aol.com

Author:	Kelly [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
Present pricing for the 10.5 KNL is $8500.00 each, and for the 8.5 N, $11,000.00 each. The lifting injectors are more expensive due to having more parts (like the built in steam valve, etc), and generally being a more complex design, causing us much more expense in patterns, jigs and special tooling (all needing to be amortized into the price of the few that we will sell in this limited market), as well as more expense in castings per injector. Add in about 150 hours time for our top machinist, and you end up with the number above. Strasburg Rail Road kelly@strasburgrailroad.com

Author:	Brian O. [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
Sorry to bud in here but would you mind telling me the difference b/t a lifting ant non-lifting injector?

Author:	Phil Mulligan [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
> Sorry to bud in here but would you mind > telling me the difference b/t a lifting ant > non-lifting injector? Short answer from a trolley dude. A nonlifting injector sits under the cab and is a gravity feed from the tender. A lifting injector is above the bottom of the tender, maybe level with the cab window or so, and has to lift water from the bottom of the tender to its level before it feeds it to the boiler. Electric City Trolley Museum Association

Author:	Kelly [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
Phil is right. Each type has its advantages. Non lifting injectors are easier to maintain, and not prone to overheating, since they can be cooled by the tender water to any extent necessary. Lifting injectors are less prone to freezing, especially when mounted inside the cab, and are under more direct observation by the engineer. Smaller engines tended toward lifting injectors, and larger engines toward non-lifting, though it was largely a matter of choice depending on the railroad. Strasburg Rail Road kelly@strasburgrailroad.com

Author:	CP O'Shea [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
> Present pricing for the 10.5 KNL is $8500.00 > each, and for the 8.5 N, $11,000.00 each. > The lifting injectors are more expensive due > to having more parts (like the built in > steam valve, etc), and generally being a > more complex design, causing us much more > expense in patterns, jigs and special > tooling (all needing to be amortized into > the price of the few that we will sell in > this limited market), as well as more > expense in castings per injector. Add in > about 150 hours time for our top machinist, > and you end up with the number above. Kelly, Thanks for the info, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. All things considered, I'd say SRC's price sounds pretty reasonable for a new component that can't be gotten any other way... Fiv4HghStk@aol.com

Author:	bill m [ Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sellers 1922 Non-Lifting Injectors
> how would these prices compare to replacements from the era when these were off the shelf items ?

Author:	Kelly [ Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:37 am ]
Post subject:	Are you sure you really want to know?
From the 1928 Sellers catalog; 8.5 N $100 10.5 KNL $130 Their least expensive injector; 3.2 N, $36 Their most expensive injector; 15.8 KNL $265 Strasburg Rail Road kelly@strasburgrailroad.com

Author:	CP O'Shea [ Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Are you sure you really want to know?
> From the 1928 Sellers catalog; > 8.5 N $100 > 10.5 KNL $130 > Their least expensive injector; 3.2 N, $36 > Their most expensive injector; 15.8 KNL $265 What would your top machinist's hourly wage have been in 1928? Somehow, I don't think he'd want to preserve that part of the past... LOL... :-) Fiv4HghStk@aol.com

Author:	Ed Fritz [ Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Are you sure you really want to know?
> From the 1928 Sellers catalog; > 8.5 N $100 > 10.5 KNL $130 > Their least expensive injector; 3.2 N, $36 > Their most expensive injector; 15.8 KNL $265 Twelve years later, 1940, the average cost of the first four N&W Class "J" 4-8-4 locomotives was $166,917 (602 cost an additional $12,348 because of the booster applied to the rear truck). After you factor in inflation, it looks like you are getting about the same amount of real monetary "value" as they did in 1922. Ed

Author:	buddy bob [ Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Are you sure you really want to know?
> From the 1928 Sellers catalog; > 8.5 N $100 > 10.5 KNL $130 > Their least expensive injector; 3.2 N, $36 > Their most expensive injector; 15.8 KNL $265 Some time in the late 1960s I bought the last 8.5 n from Sellers I think I paid about $600. for it.bb

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