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| Author: | finderskeepers [ Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | stainless steel wheels *PIC* |
I read with interest this article on rebuilding D&RGW rolling stock on the Cumbres and Toltec, and it mentions the wheelsets being changed to stainless steel construction...never heard of such a thing..am I mis-informed, or are they? http://www.chieftain.com/sunday/news/index/article/11 Rebuilding the D&RGW rolling stock 
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| Author: | John Craft [ Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: stainless steel wheels |
> I read with interest this article on > rebuilding D&RGW rolling stock on the > Cumbres and Toltec, and it mentions the > wheelsets being changed to stainless steel > construction...never heard of such a > thing..am I mis-informed, or are they? The Chieftain's reports on the C&TS have been riddled with glaring factual errors for years. I wouldn't put much faith in anything that appears in it unless you see it reported independently somewhere else. JAC |
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| Author: | Art Miller [ Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Local News Reliability |
My colleague Mr. Craft makes a good point about incorrect information in one local newspaper that is applicable to a majority of local news media in general. J Schools these days turn out kids who can write (some just barely) and who have some skills necessary to run equipment specific to their craft (cameras, editors, studio production equipment). Sadly, with far too few exceptions, the last 10 years worth of journalism graduates never took a math or basic physics course and have no clue about statistics beyond figuring percentages. They cannot tell you how the NYSE operates; what a commodity price is; and cannot without help make sense out of even fairly simple court of appeals ruling. In my "day job" in the hazardous and radiological remediation and transportation business, I have found they get it wrong far more often than right. Last year, I had to contend with a well-coiffed reporter -- doing a standup two miles from a 40-gallon spill -- who stated that the spilled substance might pollute miles of farmland. Trouble was, she was standing uphill from the event, and led her viewers to believe that the spilled solution could defy gravity. When the error was pointed out during one of her many rehearsals, the point was ignored. As a result, the public inundated my firm and local authorities with frantic questions for several days. Any effort at getting a correction died deader'n than dead, never getting beyond a newsroom secretary. Thankfully, this individual has recently taken her hairspray and moved to another market. I tell this war tale to make the point -- a majority of local news reporters lack substantive technical expertise outside of their craft. In fact, many will tell you they went into communications and public relations because they did not have to tackle a challenging math or science course. Environmental remediation firms, railroads, government agencies, and business in general needs to spend extra amounts of time in their "care and feeding." Otherwise, horrendous errors often result. Sometimes these errors are rather inert, sometimes they are not. And given their turnover rate, I think it is close to impossible to have a "media education day" at your railroad museum. The faces change too often. |
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| Author: | Roger Mitchell [ Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: stainless steel wheels |
Steel wheels, yes, but not stainless. A few years ago we had to replace the wheels on our streetcar here in Fort Collins. The original wheels were manufactured by Griffin Wheel Works in Denver, the same maker as most of the wheels on the C&TS. Those wheels were grandfathered until we wore them out. They were of chill cast iron and did not meet current FRA requirements. We had to have new wheels made from steel by an FRA/AAR certified maker, Pennsylvania Tool and Machine Works, to comply with FRA regulations. Roger Mitchell Master Mechanic Fort Collins Municipal Railway n0mcr@netzero.net |
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| Author: | Jim Adams [ Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: stainless steel wheels |
> Steel wheels, yes, but not stainless. A few > years ago we had to replace the wheels on > our streetcar here in Fort Collins. The > original wheels were manufactured by Griffin > Wheel Works in Denver, the same maker as > most of the wheels on the C&TS. Those > wheels were grandfathered until we wore them > out. They were of chill cast iron and did > not meet current FRA requirements. We had to > have new wheels made from steel by an > FRA/AAR certified maker, Pennsylvania Tool > and Machine Works, to comply with FRA > regulations. > Roger Mitchell > Master Mechanic > Fort Collins Municipal Railway Yeh, Roger, but those steel wheels don't have those purty curved "spokes" on the back like the cast wheels do. Jim rrfanjim@charter.net |
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| Author: | Roger Mitchell [ Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: stainless steel wheels |
> Yeh, Roger, but those steel wheels don't > have those purty curved "spokes" > on the back like > the cast wheels do. > Jim Ya, Jim, but they did keep the FRA happy and us running. The wheel with those "purty curved spokes" are now under a Birney on display in Greeley, Colorado. Regards Roger n0mcr@netzero.net |
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| Author: | John W. Coniglio [ Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Local News Reliability |
Art, Reading your post during dinner break at my desk on the wrong side of the tracks. "Media Education Days" are a start (even though our faces change); and this is an issue where proactivity by the preservation industry will become more important as time moves us farther away from the days when everyone knew somebody who was a railroader. It's worth pursuing over coffee sometime. http://home.mindspring.com/~hometownprint/ coniglio.john@comcast.net |
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| Author: | Jim Adams [ Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: stainless steel wheels |
> Ya, Jim, but they did keep the FRA happy and > us running. The wheel with those "purty > curved spokes" are now under a Birney > on display in Greeley, Colorado. > Regards > Roger Roger, they not only kept the FRA happy. they also made the RR's happy. They and the roller bearings greatly reduced the cost of wheel and axle maintenance and all but eliminated the Hot Box problem with the roller beaarings shrugging off overloads that would have burned the journal off a solid bearing axle before they got out of town. I am not up on the NG practice. What practice are they following? Jim rrfanjim@charter.net |
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| Author: | Art Miller [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | A Rare Exception & A Start |
My TVRM colleague, John Coniglio, is a rare exception to my previous opine. For those who may not know, John is a photographic department manager for one of Tennessee's leading daily newspapers. He also is a published author having created one of the best (but often unacknowledged) chronicle of a railroad museum ever created. "Steam in the Valley" documents close to 40 years of TVRM's history and sets an "industry standard." It is worthwhile reading for all railroad preservationists. Sadly, John is one in a thousand: he is as skilled and knowledgeable about photography as he is about the railroad industry. John, what we ought to do is offer a railroad seminar once a year at J schools in the north Georgia and Tennessee. At least it is a start. Sure beats my hand-wringing/crabbing on RYPN about a problem, and doing nothing. |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Journalists down South |
> My TVRM colleague, John Coniglio, is a rare > exception to my previous opine. For those > who may not know, John is a photographic > department manager for one of Tennessee's > leading daily newspapers. > He also is a published author having created > one of the best (but often unacknowledged) > chronicle of a railroad museum ever created. > "Steam in the Valley" documents > close to 40 years of TVRM's history and sets > an "industry standard." It is > worthwhile reading for all railroad > preservationists. > Sadly, John is one in a thousand: he is as > skilled and knowledgeable about photography > as he is about the railroad industry. > John, what we ought to do is offer a > railroad seminar once a year at J schools in > the north Georgia and Tennessee. At least it > is a start. Sure beats my > hand-wringing/crabbing on RYPN about a > problem, and doing nothing. Um, isn't there a certain Shay-drivin' fella down your way who knows a thing or three about newspapers and the media? I think I've seen his name here before.... :-)) Anyway, NC is pretty close to TN, right? Seriously, that would be a great idea. And perhaps Don Phillips could be persuaded to get involved, too. hpincus@mindspring.com |
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| Author: | jimwrinn [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Guilty, as charged, Howie |
... And earning my spare change and rent this way now for 21 years, come May 15. Two points: Big difference between print and television journalism and their standards of "fact"; secondarily, a big difference between the smaller papers and the bigger papers when it comes to depth, context and understanding. Good reporting is the start; good writing follows naturally; good editing is the next firewall; and good copyediting is the "readers' frield." At my paper, The Charlotte Observer, I'm often called in to fact check railroad stories and/or help out with them or just write them when I have time. Most recently, I covered the moving of the Hamlet depot and the breaking of the ex-SR Saluda line. Normally, this means making sure that "Norfolk Southern" doesn't have a hyphen or an ampersand, but sometimes it means helping explain to the public what a self guarding frog is. Many journalists are basically as uninformed as the general public when it comes to the railroad industry, industry jargon or preservation topics. The real careful ones make the extra effort to find out what is what, and what's not. Wrinnbo@aol.com |
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| Author: | John W. Coniglio [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | hairspray & media |
dang, Art, you were supposed to save that for my obit....There is a germ of a good idea here in the workshop or rail-media demonstration event. And I hear from sources that you know how to put on such things. and Jim W. .... if the Charlotte Obs. pays both rent and spare change please send me an application! I also try to fact-check and rumor-squash the railroad stories that go in our paper. Of course I'm the one who called the Three-Spot's throttle a Johnson Bar in my university paper days. But in my defense, I had misplaced my hairspray that day. http://home.mindspring.com/~hometownprint/ coniglio.john@comcast.net |
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| Author: | Art Miller [ Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Capias Warrant & Extradition Petitions |
> and Jim W. .... if the Charlotte Obs. pays > both rent and spare change please send me an > application! Attn: Jim Wrinn Do not, repeat, do not send Mr. Coniglio an application. I do not think the Tennessee Code Annotated has a "felonious railroad museum abandonment" statute. Hence, even east Tennessee jurists likely would reject applications for a capias warrant and related extradition papers. |
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| Author: | jimwrinn [ Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Capias Warrant & Extradition Petitions |
Art, Let's just say that we'll keep the border well patroled! Jim Wrinnbo@aol.com |
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