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Author:  Erik Ledbetter [ Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Bethlehem Museum of Indust. History in trouble

Doesn't sound good according to this AP story...

Bethlehem Steel museum project stalled
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Author:  Tom Gears [ Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bethlehem Museum of Indust. History in trouble

Getting anything open for people to go to and see would be a major step. They don't need to build anything fancy just give the public something to see, an look see and walk through the building would be super. I imagine that using public monies has many stumbling blocks to just letting people walk through even in the most restrictive way.

Tom Gears

Author:  Thomas Manz [ Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bethlehem Museum of Indust. History in trouble

Is $200K+ annual salary for the director high, or competitive with similar positions in the US?

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Author:  Erik Ledbetter [ Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bethlehem Museum of Indust. History in trouble

> Is $200K+ annual salary for the director
> high, or competitive with similar positions
> in the US?

It's competitive with major museums in major urban areas. It's probably high compared with technical musuems in general (air, sea, railroad, space, industrial heritage), and high compared with museums in general in smaller cities or rural areas.

Director's salaries in general have been rising as the job includes ever more fundraising and development responsibilities and museums compete for "rain-maker" directors.

There are some salary surveys for museums avialable online: try this 2002 data from the Association of Midwest Museums:

http://www.midwestmuseums.org/salary_survey.html

AMM salary survey
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Author:  Rob Davis [ Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bethlehem Museum of Indust. History in trouble

$200k can give a real nice living in the Lehigh Valley. That is insane money. Heck, folks making $50-70K a year near Bethlehem live like folks making $15oK in North Jersey.

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Author:  Mike Piersa [ Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Full Story about the museum *PIC*

I would encourage everyone who read the AP article to go to the link and read the original article in its entirety. The original article from Sunday's Allentown Morning Call goes further in depth. For example, it mentions progress that the museum made last year by gaining the powerful fundraisers Arthur and Kathryn Taylor. It also mentions crucial differences to the Cincinnati museum in that it received many donations in excess of $25,000 while Bethlehem's museum has primarily received smaller donations.

The first phase of the museum will be known as Exposition Hall, not Exhibition Hall as the article also states. Similarly, it is the Number 2, not 1, machine shop where the final museum is supposed to be situated.

To get a more complete understanding of what is going on, as seen through the local press, please see the articles and information at:

http://www.mcall.com/news/specials/bethsteel/

Finally, in response to Tom Gears' suggestion that the museum show people around, it is something that they would like to do, but except for their office and the empty electrical shop that will become Exposition Hall, the site is currently owned by other parties, so liability issues limit tours to those conducted personally by the museum president. Tours for the public can't really be considered until the sale of the Bethlehem Steel site to developers is completed.

The picture below shows a little more than 2/3 of the future Exposition Hall building.

Industrial Museum Article
Image
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Author:  Dave O. [ Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Full Story about the museum

> I would encourage everyone who read the AP
> article to go to the link and read the
> original article in its entirety. The
> original article from Sunday's Allentown
> Morning Call goes further in depth. For
> example, it mentions progress that the
> museum made last year by gaining the
> powerful fundraisers Arthur and Kathryn
> Taylor. It also mentions crucial differences
> to the Cincinnati museum in that it received
> many donations in excess of $25,000 while
> Bethlehem's museum has primarily received
> smaller donations.

> The first phase of the museum will be known
> as Exposition Hall, not Exhibition Hall as
> the article also states. Similarly, it is
> the Number 2, not 1, machine shop where the
> final museum is supposed to be situated.

> To get a more complete understanding of what
> is going on, as seen through the local
> press, please see the articles and
> information at:

>
> http://www.mcall.com/news/specials/bethsteel/

> Finally, in response to Tom Gears'
> suggestion that the museum show people
> around, it is something that they would like
> to do, but except for their office and the
> empty electrical shop that will become
> Exposition Hall, the site is currently owned
> by other parties, so liability issues limit
> tours to those conducted personally by the
> museum president. Tours for the public can't
> really be considered until the sale of the
> Bethlehem Steel site to developers is
> completed.

> The picture below shows a little more than
> 2/3 of the future Exposition Hall building.
Greed
I wouldn't count too much on any kind of steel mill museum in Bethlehem let alone one of the blast furnaces being saved. The origion plan was to save one of the blast furnaces and house the Smithsonian affliated museum in the electrical shop. Now with ISG in and Beth Steel out the museum you will see will be much like those in Pittsburg a wide open field with a steel ladel sitting there with a plaque on it. The whole area between the Minsi Trail bridge and the New Street bridge is all slated to be rebuilt as entertainment, light manufacturing and even a beer garden. A hockey rink has been already built as well as some tech places and manufacturing. These bring good jobs to the area that the commom person can live on and raise a family. The other aspect most of this area is what they call a "brown field' which needs to be cleaned up I think that would be ISG.
Please let me know if the Smithsonian is still active with the project. The whole sounded really good to the people of the Valley in the Steel proposed it years back.But times have changed. I know that the City of Bethlehem wants a bigger tax base due to the Steel closing and would rather have five of six factories than one non profit museum, especially since they were almost bankrupted and settled after their police killed a drug dealer. Know that was an interesting case.
Sad to say I wouldn't count on much of a museum there and expect Brandenberg to start scrapping the remaining buildings.
One side note they put up a small monument to the steel workers and there is no mention of Beth Steel on it due to the fact they pledged money to it and never followed through. Bad scene for preservation but living here in the area this brings much needed well paying jobs to the area.

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Author:  Mike Piersa [ Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Full Story about the museum

> Greed
> I wouldn't count too much on any kind of
> steel mill museum in Bethlehem let alone one
> of the blast furnaces being saved. The
> origion plan was to save one of the blast
> furnaces and house the Smithsonian affliated
> museum in the electrical shop. Now with ISG
> in and Beth Steel out the museum you will
> see will be much like those in Pittsburg a
> wide open field with a steel ladel sitting
> there with a plaque on it. The whole area
> between the Minsi Trail bridge and the New
> Street bridge is all slated to be rebuilt as
> entertainment, light manufacturing and even
> a beer garden. A hockey rink has been
> already built as well as some tech places
> and manufacturing. These bring good jobs to
> the area that the commom person can live on
> and raise a family. The other aspect most of
> this area is what they call a "brown
> field' which needs to be cleaned up I think
> that would be ISG.

The Brownfield project is not being done by ISG. They are selling the land (almost 1,550 acres) to Lehigh Valley Industrial Park, Inc, who will manage the redevelopment of the site. The site that is intended for the museum is a portion of the land constituting Bethlehem Works, the retail/entertainment complex that was first proposed by Bethlehem Steel. This land is slated to be sold to the Delaware Valley Real Estate Investment Fund. Please see http://www.saveoursteel.org/eraser.shtml
for more information on the fund and why preservationists are lobbying them.

> Please let me know if the Smithsonian is
> still active with the project.

The Smithsonian is still active with the project, but they are not running it. A common misconception is that the Smithsonian is creating the museum, but the museum is a private, non profit operation. The tie between them is that the museum was the first Smithsonian affiliate. Because of this relationship, the museum will be displaying artifacts from the Smithsonian while the Smithsonian will still own those objects. This is the case for a number of the objects that will be placed in Exposition Hall.

>I know that the
> City of Bethlehem wants a bigger tax base
> due to the Steel closing and would rather
> have five of six factories than one non
> profit museum, especially since they were
> almost bankrupted and settled after their
> police killed a drug dealer.

The city is not in a position where it has to decide between a museum and factories. With the brownfield project, there is more than enough room for both. Unlike places such as Homestead, Bethlehem is booming and can afford to wait for a museum. This is evident in a message on the Save Our Steel e-mail list, discussing a private meeting on Saturday, which stated that "Mayor Callahan opened the meeting and reiterated his commitment to preserving all five blast furnaces as crucial elements of Bethlehem's skyline."

Save Our Steel
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Author:  Dave O. [ Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Full Story about the museum

> The Brownfield project is not being done by
> ISG. They are selling the land (almost 1,550
> acres) to Lehigh Valley Industrial Park,
> Inc, who will manage the redevelopment of
> the site. The site that is intended for the
> museum is a portion of the land constituting
> Bethlehem Works, the retail/entertainment
> complex that was first proposed by Bethlehem
> Steel. This land is slated to be sold to the
> Delaware Valley Real Estate Investment Fund.
> Please see
> http://www.saveoursteel.org/eraser.shtml
> for more information on the fund and why
> preservationists are lobbying them.

> The Smithsonian is still active with the
> project, but they are not running it. A
> common misconception is that the Smithsonian
> is creating the museum, but the museum is a
> private, non profit operation. The tie
> between them is that the museum was the
> first Smithsonian affiliate. Because of this
> relationship, the museum will be displaying
> artifacts from the Smithsonian while the
> Smithsonian will still own those objects.
> This is the case for a number of the objects
> that will be placed in Exposition Hall.

> The city is not in a position where it has
> to decide between a museum and factories.
> With the brownfield project, there is more
> than enough room for both. Unlike places
> such as Homestead, Bethlehem is booming and
> can afford to wait for a museum. This is
> evident in a message on the Save Our Steel
> e-mail list, discussing a private meeting on
> Saturday, which stated that "Mayor
> Callahan opened the meeting and reiterated
> his commitment to preserving all five blast
> furnaces as crucial elements of Bethlehem's
> skyline."
Hello Mr. Piersa,
I am glad you are on this forum, you have filled in a lot of the gaps and gaffs in my reply to the thread. Glad to hear that the Smithsonian is still involved and for clarifying about the brown fields. It was my understanding though that only one blast furnace would be preserved. Hopefullaly all will be saved. Keep up the cause and are you local to the Lehigh Valley. Lots here to be preserved.
Dave O.

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