I would like to know of books, publications, etc. that contain pictures and plans of the B & O's 'Royal Blue Line' Train with narrow vestibule Pullmans of mid 1890's. This would include Mail & Baggage, Combine, Sleepers, Day Coaches, Diner, Observation cars.

Also, I would like to know if the B & O Railroad had any 'Brooks' High Ten Wheelers, Type I-1 with 80" drivers and 20x28 cylinders hauling any of their Limiteds or Express trains in the 1890's and early 1900's.

bob.luce@prodigy.net

Bob you may have done this already, but check with the B&O Railroad Museum at www.borail.org.
They may have some books/literature in their museum store(if it's open yet).
They also have some interesting history on their website, and some seachable archives.
Brian



B&O Railroad Museum
btamper@hotmail.com

By all means start your research with "Royal Blue Line: The Classic B & O Train Between Washington and New York" by Herbert H. Harwood, Jr. It's back in print in a revised edition.

eledbetter@rypn.org

Bob,
Please contact me at RRMPA tomorrow and leave a phone number. I received your phone message, tried calling you back today but it was a fax number (it buzzed like a fax was activating). I don't think we have what you're looking for (check Harwood's "The Royal Blue Line" and the Arthur Dubin colelction at Lake Forest Coll.), but can advise you on particulars.
K.R. Bell

> I would like to know of books, publications,
> etc. that contain pictures and plans of the
> B & O's 'Royal Blue Line' Train with
> narrow vestibule Pullmans of mid 1890's.
> This would include Mail & Baggage,
> Combine, Sleepers, Day Coaches, Diner,
> Observation cars.

> Also, I would like to know if the B & O
> Railroad had any 'Brooks' High Ten Wheelers,
> Type I-1 with 80" drivers and 20x28
> cylinders hauling any of their Limiteds or
> Express trains in the 1890's and early
> 1900's.


Kubell@state.pa.us

Poor photo of an unknown locomotive at the Hawaiian Village minature golf course in Myrtle Beach, SC. I think it might be one of the Solvay Process Alco 0-4-0Ts that languished so many years at the old Rail City site, near Sandy Pond, NY.

http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=15349
ryarger@rypn.org

> Poor photo of an unknown locomotive at the
> Hawaiian Village minature golf course in
> Myrtle Beach, SC. I think it might be one of
> the Solvay Process Alco 0-4-0Ts that
> languished so many years at the old Rail
> City site, near Sandy Pond, NY.

Okay...I haven't updated my database yet, but will later tonight. Here's the deal: the locomotive in Myrtle Beach, SC is Solvay Process No. 61 seen at the link below.

The note Steve Hall appended to Solvay No. 49 explains it all and may be read at the following URL:

http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomo ... splay=1697

and click on the 'Notes' button. Hope this helps.

Doug


Solvay 0-4-0T No. 61
dougb@sunserver.com

I have a shot of this engine taken when i was there in March....It's a bit better quality. This place also has a very bad looking bobber caboose, which looks like a body stuck on 2 axles. (it really doesn't look original, but, i didn't get that close to it) Glad to see someone finally answered the question i had asked on the carolina rails group.

Ken Jones
Niagara Falls Railway Museum

> Okay...I haven't updated my database yet,
> but will later tonight. Here's the deal: the
> locomotive in Myrtle Beach, SC is Solvay
> Process No. 61 seen at the link below.

> The note Steve Hall appended to Solvay No.
> 49 explains it all and may be read at the
> following URL:

>
> http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomo ... splay=1697

> and click on the 'Notes' button. Hope this
> helps.

> Doug


Niagara Falls Railway Museum
digitekfx@kwic.com

There should be severe punishment to people who do these hideous things to engines!

frisco1522@sbcglobal.net

Yes that is quite hideous. I've seen big fake balloon stacks stuck on 1920s locomotives since the common image for the steam locomotive for most people is a 4-4-0 with a woodburning stack like the General or Jupiter.

On another note, one of the Solvay Process engines used in Jamesville, NY has a quite interesting story I like to tell usually around Halloween. Apparently one time an engineer fell asleep and the engine jumped a trestle and fell 60 or so feet into a building. They sent it back to Alco to get rebuilt and not long after it pulled a UP 844 and a tube exploded, sending hot steam out the firebox door scalding the engineer to death. It was put back into service but the engineers avoided it like the plague after the bell and whistle would start ringing itself, or one could smell burning flesh. Sure its most likely an exxageration, but a neat story. I think it was Solvay Process #41. It sat up at the Groman estate in Oswego at Rail City and was sold and moved to Pennsylvania. It hasn't steamed in over 30 years so nobody can confirm the story.

If you want to see a scary thing done to a steam locomotive; go over to Six Flags Over Georgia, Fiesta Texas, or to the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, Wisconsin. There you will see steam locomotives with gutted boiler shells with diesel engines in them...and on one, an airhorn on top of the cab! Of course the SP had airhorns on their GS-class 4-8-4s and some 4-8-2s with the streamlining concealing the stack and domes, which I never understood when they have such beautiful whistles.

I have pictures somewhere around of some scary looking steam locomotives. Look at some of the park display engines on the parkengines.railfan.net site.

-Ed Kelley

GTNGRR@aol.com

>Of course the SP had airhorns on their
> GS-class 4-8-4s and some 4-8-2s with the
> streamlining concealing the stack and domes,
> which I never understood when they have such
> beautiful whistles.

To cut through the fog.

Joshua