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| Author: | Nick D'Amore [ Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Who's 4-6-0 is getting wheels turned? |
Last night I saw a truck headed west on I-76 in Ohio with what appeared to be the wheels of a low-drivered 4-6-0. Who's are they, or who did the work? nDELETETHISickd@icubed.com |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Who's 4-6-0 is getting wheels turned? |
Unless I am mistaken, they are the wheels of the 2-6-2 I referred to in my "Latest from the Strasburg Rail Road Shops" post of February 22nd. http://www.rypn.net/cgi-bin/interchange.pl?read=43937 Delays on the WI end resulted in Historic Machinery's request that we store the parts until they were loaded yesterday. Strasburg Rail Road |
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| Author: | Cliff McKay [ Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Who's 4-6-0 is getting wheels turned? |
What exactly happens when a locomotive's wheels are turned (besides the obvious)? What processes and machinery are involved? Thanks in advance for any info. mckay1995@comcast.net |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Who's 4-6-0 is getting wheels turned? *PIC* |
Wheel treads are turned down when wear for service causes the profile of the tread to vary from the shape of a new tread in excess of certain established standards. Most often, this is due to the tread wearing hollow where it bears against the rail, or the flange wearing thin where it bears against the rail. Gages are used to determine how much the diameter of the wheels need to be reduced to restore a proper profile. All of the wheels in a given set need to be the same size when finished, so one badly worn flange in a set of six driving wheels condemns the other five to be turned down the same amount. Of the several methods used to restore the profile of wheel treads, we use our wheel lathe with form tools. The Strasburg Rail Road’s wheel lathe was built in 1913 by Niles. It will swing 90”, has a 25 hp motor, and when in gear for tread turning has spindle speeds ranging from 0.45 to 1.89 RPM. That’s right, just under ½ a revolution per minute. Both the headstock and tailstock have driven faceplates, and there are two tool posts, so both treads can be cut simultaneously. Driving wheel tires are made of extremely tough high carbon steel, which is essentially spring steel. Using high speed cobalt steel cutters, the standard cutting speed is 10 to 12 surface feet per minute. Using a single point roughing tool to bring the treads down to near their finished size, we usually feed the tool at 1/8” per revolution feed, and up to 3/8” depth of cut. The chips come off the tires a royal blue from the frictional heat. I have read some railroad’s standards that called for roughing cuts taken at ½” feed, and ½” depth of cut. Once the treads are roughed to size, three form tools are used in sequence to finish them. The first cuts the finished shape of the flange, the second cuts the radius at the outside edge of the tread, and the third cuts the tread surface in between. The treads are measured for size, and if accurate, the wheel set is finished. The AAR standard tolerance for variation in diameter of all the wheels in a given set, fresh from the lathe is .039”. If when turning six driving wheels, the machinist turns the last one too small, the others will need to be put back in the lathe and additional material removed to bring them within tolerance. In this photo, Brad is using roughing tools to reduce the diameter of this wheel set to match one already done, prior to finishing it with form tools. On the outer edge of the left wheel, you can see where the tool is just starting a new cut. The chalk marks show the point where he was measuring the diameter from the last cut. The grey castings in between the face plates and the tires hold the dogs that transmit power from the faceplates to the wheel set. Strasburg Rail Road
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| Author: | Grant Ferguson [ Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Who's 4-6-0 is getting wheels turned? |
> Wheel treads are turned down when wear for > service causes the profile of the tread to > vary from the shape of a new tread in excess > of certain established standards. Most > often, this is due to the tread wearing > hollow where it bears against the rail, or > the flange wearing thin where it bears > against the rail. Gages are used to > determine how much the diameter of the > wheels need to be reduced to restore a > proper profile. All of the wheels in a given > set need to be the same size when finished, > so one badly worn flange in a set of six > driving wheels condemns the other five to be > turned down the same amount. > Of the several methods used to restore the > profile of wheel treads, we use our wheel > lathe with form tools. The Strasburg Rail > Road’s wheel lathe was built in 1913 by > Niles. It will swing 90”, has a 25 hp motor, > and when in gear for tread turning has > spindle speeds ranging from 0.45 to 1.89 > RPM. That’s right, just under ½ a revolution > per minute. Both the headstock and tailstock > have driven faceplates, and there are two > tool posts, so both treads can be cut > simultaneously. > Driving wheel tires are made of extremely > tough high carbon steel, which is > essentially spring steel. Using high speed > cobalt steel cutters, the standard cutting > speed is 10 to 12 surface feet per minute. > Using a single point roughing tool to bring > the treads down to near their finished size, > we usually feed the tool at 1/8” per > revolution feed, and up to 3/8” depth of > cut. The chips come off the tires a royal > blue from the frictional heat. I have read > some railroad’s standards that called for > roughing cuts taken at ½” feed, and ½” depth > of cut. > Once the treads are roughed to size, three > form tools are used in sequence to finish > them. The first cuts the finished shape of > the flange, the second cuts the radius at > the outside edge of the tread, and the third > cuts the tread surface in between. The > treads are measured for size, and if > accurate, the wheel set is finished. The AAR > standard tolerance for variation in diameter > of all the wheels in a given set, fresh from > the lathe is .039”. If when turning six > driving wheels, the machinist turns the last > one too small, the others will need to be > put back in the lathe and additional > material removed to bring them within > tolerance. > In this photo, Brad is using roughing tools > to reduce the diameter of this wheel set to > match one already done, prior to finishing > it with form tools. On the outer edge of the > left wheel, you can see where the tool is > just starting a new cut. The chalk marks > show the point where he was measuring the > diameter from the last cut. The grey > castings in between the face plates and the > tires hold the dogs that transmit power from > the faceplates to the wheel set. Kelley, could you elaborate on the process and profiles for blind drivers? We are working on a Baldwin logging 2-8-2 in conjunction with the group in Kamloops B.C.,which definitely needs driver work and we haven't been able to find any published material on the subject. I recall a post from jack Anderson some time ago about tapering the tread on blind drivers toward the outside of the wheel. Ours are fairly well dished in the centre. http://www,wcra.org gandmferguson@shaw.ca |
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| Author: | Grant Ferguson [ Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Who's 4-6-0 is getting wheels turned? |
> Wheel treads are turned down when wear for > service causes the profile of the tread to > vary from the shape of a new tread in excess > of certain established standards. Most > often, this is due to the tread wearing > hollow where it bears against the rail, or > the flange wearing thin where it bears > against the rail. Gages are used to > determine how much the diameter of the > wheels need to be reduced to restore a > proper profile. All of the wheels in a given > set need to be the same size when finished, > so one badly worn flange in a set of six > driving wheels condemns the other five to be > turned down the same amount. > Of the several methods used to restore the > profile of wheel treads, we use our wheel > lathe with form tools. The Strasburg Rail > Road’s wheel lathe was built in 1913 by > Niles. It will swing 90”, has a 25 hp motor, > and when in gear for tread turning has > spindle speeds ranging from 0.45 to 1.89 > RPM. That’s right, just under ½ a revolution > per minute. Both the headstock and tailstock > have driven faceplates, and there are two > tool posts, so both treads can be cut > simultaneously. > Driving wheel tires are made of extremely > tough high carbon steel, which is > essentially spring steel. Using high speed > cobalt steel cutters, the standard cutting > speed is 10 to 12 surface feet per minute. > Using a single point roughing tool to bring > the treads down to near their finished size, > we usually feed the tool at 1/8” per > revolution feed, and up to 3/8” depth of > cut. The chips come off the tires a royal > blue from the frictional heat. I have read > some railroad’s standards that called for > roughing cuts taken at ½” feed, and ½” depth > of cut. > Once the treads are roughed to size, three > form tools are used in sequence to finish > them. The first cuts the finished shape of > the flange, the second cuts the radius at > the outside edge of the tread, and the third > cuts the tread surface in between. The > treads are measured for size, and if > accurate, the wheel set is finished. The AAR > standard tolerance for variation in diameter > of all the wheels in a given set, fresh from > the lathe is .039”. If when turning six > driving wheels, the machinist turns the last > one too small, the others will need to be > put back in the lathe and additional > material removed to bring them within > tolerance. > In this photo, Brad is using roughing tools > to reduce the diameter of this wheel set to > match one already done, prior to finishing > it with form tools. On the outer edge of the > left wheel, you can see where the tool is > just starting a new cut. The chalk marks > show the point where he was measuring the > diameter from the last cut. The grey > castings in between the face plates and the > tires hold the dogs that transmit power from > the faceplates to the wheel set. Kelley, could you elaborate on the process and profiles for blind drivers? We are working on a Baldwin logging 2-8-2 in conjunction with the group in Kamloops B.C.,which definitely needs driver work and we haven't been able to find any published material on the subject. I recall a post from jack Anderson some time ago about tapering the tread on blind drivers toward the outside of the wheel. Ours are fairly well dished in the centre. Any help would be appreciated http://www,wcra.org gandmferguson@shaw.ca |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Who's 4-6-0 is getting wheels turned? *PIC* |
The standard profile for blind tires is as shown. Tires narrower or wider than 6” maintain the 1-1/4” tapered edges, and make the flat center portion wider, or narrower to match. I would think that a tapered profile would be a disadvantage as the larger diameter toward the inside would tend to ride up onto guard rails and the like, since the back to back on blind drivers can be narrower than the minimum for flanged drivers. If we can be of any futher help with this project, don't hesitate to contact me. Strasburg Rail Road ![]() kelly@strasburgrailroad.com |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Here is a shallow roughing cut *PIC* |
The first pass across a slightly hollow tread. Strasburg Rail Road ![]() kelly@strasburgrailroad.com |
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