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 Post subject: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:22 am 

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I managed to stumble upon this new website while searching for rail stations on a now-abandoned line in Colombia, and all I can say is........... wow.....

http://www.railwaystationlists.co.uk/

This website attempts to list EVERY railway station that ever existed on EVERY rail line, save for the United Kingdom.

The guy says he's been at it for sixty years:

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My Site contains an expanding series of lists aiming to record all passenger stations and stopping places for various railway and tramway systems throughout the world. This includes relocated and restricted use stations (e.g. for private use, workmen, sports events, armed forces, etc), where information has been found. Information is given either on an “all time” basis or for a particular date or period. All lists give stations and stops in geographical sequence for each line.

I first started preparing such lists in the early 1950's when I was about 10 years old. My first effort was to copy out (by hand, of course) all the stations in a rather tatty copy of a 1949 Bradshaws Guide given to me by one of my teachers. About the same time, my Uncle gave me a Rutebok for Norge (Norway) railway timetable for 1953. I soon noted that the footnotes indicated there were extra stops not shown in the timetable. My second list, typewritten, followed a holiday with my parents to Norway in 1962. I found that many of the local line leaflets did show these stops, but not all and I could not find leaflets for all lines. Thus, I spent several hours at various stations copying out the names of these minor stops from staff issue booklets kindly shown to me by the staff and prepared a list on return home.

Those gifts started me on my life long interest in acquiring railway timetables from across the world. My collection now numbers around 5000 items, both public and working timetables. This is not the largest collection in the world, of course, but one of the most varied, as I aim to acquire items at about 5 - 10 year intervals, rather than long runs of every issue.

Preparation of the current series of lists started in the 1980's, originally by electric typewriter, then by use of an Amstrad PC, using Supercalc 3. At that time, only a few were prepared, generally for the smaller British colonies, island systems and in response to queries from collectors of railway tickets. The major expansion of the series was started in the early 1990's. Preparation of lists as Word Documents, I regret, did not commence until 2004. I have retyped some of the older SC3 lists as Word docs. and intend to convert the other older lists in due course. In the meantime, most of the older lists have been scanned in and can be viewed but I cannot update them. Many of these include annotations by hand and other "work in progress" notes. Many of the French Secondary Railways lists (also the two Netherlands lists) were not properly formatted before my Amstrad and printer broke down and have to be read continuously on the left hand side of every page first, then the right hand side.


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:25 am 

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Impressive but still much to do.

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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:13 am 

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Very impressive. I noted that he did not use the Official Guide in gathering North American stations. Seem that would be helpful.

Glen Brewer
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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:24 am 

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filmteknik wrote:
Impressive but still much to do.


Such as?


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:13 am 

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Well, what appears to be missing is the preservationist angle. From the one short look I took a one listing, yes, the list is impressive. But adding a footnote about a station from the point of being preserved could be added. And yes, I realize that that would be a lot of additional work. But a footnote (sp - station preserved) or (spal - station preserved in another location) or (sxbnp - station existing but not preserved) would help those interested in history and preservation.

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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:12 pm 

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Sounds simple enough, right Les? Just add a footnote saying "sp"...

You've overlooked one very important factor. Who maintains that information? On the Railway Station Historical list, I'm always reading how this station is now preserved, while that station is lost and this one has been relocated. How does he gather that info? How much time will it take to process and update? What happens when you show up a location marked "Station Preserved" and only find a few splinters?

He's already set an incredibly daunting task for himself. Cataloging every station that ever existed. But at least it's a finite, if exceedingly large, and un-changing list. That info will never change, and so barring the discovery of errors, it's essentially timeless. If he ever completed the task, then the only updates needed would be for new stations.

Once you've documented that a station existed at West Wemsley, you're done with that entry, and don't need to touch it again. The status of said station, if it still exists, can change on a moments notice, sometimes repeatedly as various attempts to preserve it occur and run out of energy, or it gets converted to a pizza parlor, etc. then a museum, then in risk of demolition. Also, even seemingly simple designations can be tricky. Does a ramshackle station on the verge of falling down but with a well meaning, while woefully underfunded "preservation society" count as preserved?

Considering the magnitude of the task he's already attempting, I think he's wise to not add in a data field that requires constant monitoring and frequent updates.


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:21 pm 

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Well it is an impressive list but just because a station is listed doesn't mean a building existed. For Washington State a number of locations I have researched simply had a station sign, and in other cases the station only existed on paper.

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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:25 pm 

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If my quick perusal is any indication, this list is exceedingly thorough. I first started with a few branchlines I know well. I found all of the station names I recalled, and a few that I'd forgotten about.

Since he'd done very well on that count, I pulled out my toughest test. I looked for a small flagstop of the PRR near Freeport, PA. Not well known, even by the locals, this station is a real favorite of mine. The reason is simple enough, the station is "Harbison". Long gone before I came along, it's still not far from my birthplace, and so I consider it to be the family train station. (Though I have never found any info on the building, if one ever existed.) It's also an excellent test for "I've got a list of obscure stations".


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:27 pm 

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It does seem pertinent to emphasize that this is more accurately a list of designated timetable locations, as opposed to locations where a full station was located.

I, too, went over the list with a fine-tooth comb, looking for the most obscure stations I could conjure, and not only does he list them, but adds a few others that were not commonly known! I checked odd, rare, and obscure lines in Arizona, South Carolina, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland, and found everything I was looking for plus a few surprises!

I'm sure we could sit here and nitpick a spot or line here or there or the status of various stops, but the fact remains: This is a monumental work worthy of dissemination and preservation long-term, with appropriate credit. If you think you can do better, you are hereby challenged to do so.


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:35 pm 

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gbrewer wrote:
Very impressive. I noted that he did not use the Official Guide in gathering North American stations. Seem that would be helpful.


If you peruse the actual lists carefully, it will show that he did, indeed, use various editions of the Official Guide starting with the 1875 edition, plus a whole host of other such references, including the Guide's predecessors such as Appleton's and Dinsmore's.

It appears that this individual is sitting on, or has ready access to, a veritable mountain of railroad paper, including public and employee/working TT's and lots of schedule guides.


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Complete RR Station List Ever?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:40 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:
Well, what appears to be missing is the preservationist angle. From the one short look I took a one listing, yes, the list is impressive. But adding a footnote about a station from the point of being preserved could be added. And yes, I realize that that would be a lot of additional work. But a footnote (sp - station preserved) or (spal - station preserved in another location) or (sxbnp - station existing but not preserved) would help those interested in history and preservation.


That's what this is for:

http://www.rrshs.org/Struct.index/strucindex.htm

You can help update those lists, too, for the most part. I've chipped in here and there myself; if everyone who cares about this stuff did what they could locally, bit by bit.......

Look how many people it's taken just to deal with Pennsylvania (its own separate database/website): http://www.west2k.com/pastations/thankspa.htm


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:00 am 

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This may be as much the result of trying to look things up at 2:00AM but I was unable to find the Elgin & Belvidere Electric Co. interurban upon whose RoW IRM now runs.

Steve


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