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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:04 pm 

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Well done, Sandy. Can we get that as a bumper sticker?

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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:09 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
I can't think of any recent rail preservation project that came about strictly because of internet awareness. We've certainly used e-mails to transact some rescues, purchases, and whatnot, and done fundraising by e-mail and website, but someone starting and fulfilling a preservation of something just because they saw a picture of it or form post about it on the Internet--which is the gist of this assertion? No local group, no museum that's been eying it for a decade already? Maybe something the Conrail Historical Society guys have done so far.......

Okay, wait. I saved four B&O heavyweight trucks for reuse elsewhere at the last minute on an excruciatingly hot day in 2011, because of someone posting an off-the-cuff remark to a topic here. That's one....


The Erie Lackawanna Dining Car Preservation Society came about because someone back in 2001 pointed out on the Erie Lackawanna email list that EL diner 770 was for sale and someone should save it. People started offering to contribute and several people came forward to create what is today the ELDCPS. Of course the deal to buy 770 fell through and we bought diner 741 instead, but it all worked out in the end.


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:31 pm 

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Love the grumpy system pic - hahahah

While its obvious that not every preservation project makes front page news here on RYPN, there are some that might be brought to the attention of someone who might have some money or abilities to help the cause, who simply might not have known about it before a repost of a picture or a topic. I know of two pieces of equipment I became directly involved with in a small part that i never saw any mention on here. While their status isn't necessarily safe forever at the moment, they are not razor blades like they would have been. And that was through friends and facebook that I learned of it and got involved.


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:56 pm 

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Howard P. wrote:
Well done, Sandy. Can we get that as a bumper sticker?


Credit goes to its creator, Michael William Sullivan, who posted it to the "Lolz Train" Facebook group, which is apparently devoted to graphic representations of railfan humor. He claims it was "Created in about 40 seconds using Adobe Illustrator."

FB page: https://www.facebook.com/LolzTrain

other examples:
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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:57 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:16 am 

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Sandy's statement that the internet has not been helpful in discovering candidates for preservation is one of the most absurd things I have ever read here. I personally have found stuff that I have saved just from looking at pics posted by urban explorers, and I know others have too. Come to think of it I first learned about our Kling type hot metal car from a pic I saw online.

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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:42 am 

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I pass this equipment all time. At the risk of being hammered here, if somebody is really interested in the stuff I can stop and ask questions next time I'm in the area.

As I recall the guy who owned the scrap yard bought the set at auction in Beech Grove as a way to "demonstrate" his services and ability to move a car that size over the highway in hopes of picking up some business hauling cars that couldn't make CR interchange. I was looking at cars the same time he was. The cars have become a landmark where they sit now.

Bill

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In September 2009 the car was still there, along with apparently two coaches off to the side:

39° 4'2.21"N 87°12'36.87"W

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=39%C2%B0 ... .16,,0,3.8

I've looked at some apparently more recent aerial views that suggest the cab car has been moved or removed, but not the two coaches (parallel to the main road, to the east a few feet).

Question #1: Is it still there, or at any other location? <if NO, discussion -END>

Question #2: If so, how complete or incomplete?

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These were used in the midwest by Amtrak for a while. I wonder how long she's been in the scrapyard?


My notes say the French ANF units were pulled from Chicago-Milwaukee service in early 1981 and mothballed at Beech Grove. A fair guess is that they were parted out with parts taken for the Rohr-rebuilt units and sold off a few years later after the usual lethargy.


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:53 am 

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if you go to the Model Railroader forum there are so many repeat posts asking about couplers and very common questions, but theres a core group always diligent to answer them curteously, they love the hobby and open answer questions without rebuke.

so we get pop up rehashes on topics here as well...


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:37 am 

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Hot Metal wrote:
Sandy's statement that the internet has not been helpful in discovering candidates for preservation is one of the most absurd things I have ever read here. I personally have found stuff that I have saved just from looking at pics posted by urban explorers, and I know others have too. Come to think of it I first learned about our Kling type hot metal car from a pic I saw online.


So have I. Photos and pieces of paper.

I'm talking rolling stock, stations, and stuff you need a truck, at minimum, to move. Not something you can click on "Buy It Now" at eBay and sit back and watch the mailbox.

I'm challenging RJD's implication or assertion that "we're saving all kinds of stuff now because we have the Internet to discover it!" My intention was that by forcing people to actually come up with examples, they would see that said implication is an exaggeration at best. We're only just now starting to get to this point, in the past five or so years.

"We" knew about the Amtrak RTG turbo a dozen years ago. It's still there--maybe.

When a benefactor and I saved those four B&O trucks, it was because he NEEDED them, had an immediate use for them, and had the resources to say "here's my money; I'm sending a truck..." This is decidedly the exception. More typically, the oft-repeated cycle is "Here's a car with a For Sale sign on it..." "OMG someone should save that!" "Yeah, someone should save it, lets pass da word!" [six years later] "O NO!!! there cutting up that car!!!! why didn't someone save it???"


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:56 am 

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The recent sweeper swap between National Capital and Rockhill trolley museums was the result of information available on the internet. Frank Hick's database provided the initial information that there was a McGuire sweeper in Iowa and identified the owner.

While I am unsure of the origin of the news about the Trolleyville/Lake Shore sale, the existence of the internet certainly facilitated the ability of museums to work together to assure that collection was saved.

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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:32 pm 

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Car 56 remains came up via the internet and i acted immediately, A 1954 Bristol double decker is now in the throws of being saved by myself because it was found on the internet via google earth, The UP streamliner boxcars here in Cheyenne were found on the internet and are part of my future plans,
so no once again someone is wrong....and some of these thread replies are ridiculous...hardly ever bother looking at RYPN anymore, used to be the first forum i went to, and i know others who have given up with it completely...time to start a whole new forum made up of different categories as put forward recently...but moderators here dont seem to exist ?

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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:48 pm 

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.time to start a whole new forum made up of different categories as put forward recently...but moderators here dont seem to exist ?


Been there and done that.
http://www.steampreservation.com/forum/

Nobody knows it exists, or if they do, they don't like it.


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:02 pm 

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dinwitty wrote:
if you go to the Model Railroader forum there are so many repeat posts asking about couplers and very common questions, but theres a core group always diligent to answer them curteously, they love the hobby and open answer questions without rebuke.


As a general rule, such questions have definitive "yes/no/Part 83-J74a/$28.76 at ModelTrainJunk.com" answers. Done.

The "answers" to "1361/614/3713/643/EBT/etc.", such as they are, aren't so simple, unless you want to count the all-purpose, insultingly-simplistic answer "more money, please". And accurate, lengthy answers provoke as many questions and criticisms as they answer.


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:28 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
The "answers" to "1361/614/3713/643/EBT/etc.", such as they are, aren't so simple, unless you want to count the all-purpose, insultingly-simplistic answer "more money, please". And accurate, lengthy answers provoke as many questions and criticisms as they answer.


Yes, and that's the LAST thing we want on a discussion forum, actual discussions...

They get in the way of all the whining about how the place is run and what people post.


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 Post subject: Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:38 pm 

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I bow to the all knowing ADM. Of course nothing has been preserved because of the availability of mass information sharing on the Internet. Even the examples cited in this thread didn't happen.

I shall not speak such nonsense any more, and I apologize for all the bytes I have wasted.


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