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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:20 pm 

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EDM wrote:
Only four cars? The booster on 614 could most likely handle them...


It might be more about the current economy, perhaps a little too robust of an idea to start out with, start small and grow and adapt, train size could change as bookings go.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:56 pm 

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dinwitty wrote:
EDM wrote:
Only four cars? The booster on 614 could most likely handle them...


It might be more about the current economy, perhaps a little too robust of an idea to start out with, start small and grow and adapt, train size could change as bookings go.


Um, planning to use the cars you sell? Or what?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:34 pm 

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Is it too late to ask for a tour?

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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:56 pm 

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co614 wrote:
Don't mean to spoil the vulturefest but we will be keeping several of the cars and some of the tools/equipment for a downsized version of the GBX.


That's great news. When are you expecting a launch date?

Which four cars are you going to start service with?

Do these four cars have new interiors?

Or, do they have their previous interiors?

Are these four cars ready to go, or will you be calling back some of your workforce?

Will this be a seperate train, or hauled on the rear of Amtrak?

One of the alledged delays was due to capacity issues on the Buckingham Branch RR. Have these been addressed? If so, is a formal operating agreement in place?

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Between the bottom falling out of the soft coal market and other demands on Mr. Jim Justice ( the new owner of the Greenbrier resort and the financial backer of the GBX) it has been determined that for now we'll cut back to 4 cars and see how that goes. We can always grow larger if the smaller version succeeds.


If you are planning on growing if the project goes well, then why are you selling your inventory of stripped passenger cars? It seems to me that you may not be getting back all of near all of your initial investment by liquidation.

While we are at it, I noticed that the Greenbrier Express Company is registered in Pennsylvania as a foreign corporation, ,eaning the company is actually incorporated/formed in another state. However, the original incorporation, in West Virginia has lapsed. (See attached documents). Is the GBX incorporated in another state now? Can you explain why the WVA corporation lapsed?


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:48 pm 

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The New owner may be in another state incorporated there, simply that and the state has noted business ways to identify that.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:18 am 

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Termite 7 is going to say the same thing he said when this was first announced. "Neither CSX nor Amtrak is going to play along with this scheme".

This is 2014 and the Class 1's do not want to play with choo choo trains. For reference see the X Train people who announced non-stop trains with basketball arenas and casinos inside...but they actually only ran one 2-car train. (for entertainment look at their facebook page)

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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:40 pm 

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In answer to Mr. Wilkins questions/comments.

Yes we did move our corporate domicile to another state for tax and liability advantages.

The balance of your inquiries involve confidential and/or private information which by its nature must be limited to the shareholders.

Down the line as appropriate we will gladly issue further updates as deemed timely.

Thanks for your interest.

Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:03 pm 

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"Which four cars are you going to start service with?

Do these four cars have new interiors?

Or, do they have their previous interiors?

Are these four cars ready to go"

I'll defer to Attorney Wilkins' on matters of corporate law, even though I suspect that he's not admitted to practice in any state East of the Big Muddy, however my initial reaction to characterizing these inquiries as confidential is best exemplified here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo


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"Yes we did move our corporate domicile to another state for tax and liability advantages."

So, gave up on trying to please your man in the White House, huh?


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:57 pm 

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superheater wrote:

I'll defer to Attorney Wilkins' on matters of corporate law, even though I suspect that he's not admitted to practice in any state East of the Big Muddy, however my initial reaction to characterizing these inquiries as confidential is best exemplified here:


I'm actually still admitted to practice in Illinois, though I put myself on inactive status since the big move out west.

If his shareholders/members want information to be confidential, then so be it. Mr. Rowland is under no obligation to share information to us. However, given the fact that Mr. Rowland, on countless times in the past has gone to great lenghts to share information, make pronouncements, place blame (overregulation!), etc., I find his silence on the issue a little disconcerning. But it is, what it is.

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In answer to Mr. Wilkins questions/comments.

Yes we did move our corporate domicile to another state for tax and liability advantages.



That's good news. Can you tell me which state you are incorporated in? I can only find the PA foreign corporation and the WV expired corporation.

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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:50 pm 

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Termite7 wrote:
Termite 7 is going to say the same thing he said when this was first announced. "Neither CSX nor Amtrak is going to play along with this scheme".

This is 2014 and the Class 1's do not want to play with choo choo trains. For reference see the X Train people who announced non-stop trains with basketball arenas and casinos inside...but they actually only ran one 2-car train. (for entertainment look at their facebook page)

T7


NS running the steam...4449 runs to steamfest in michigan under the aspects of an official amtrak train, UP running excursions... etc etc...its just one darn railroad essentially making itself being an issue to doing things. There is a hardline thing about it, rail traffic is increased but its using the same ole rail routes used and today it may be hard to build new lines, but some areas are adding 2nd or 3rd tracks to handle traffic. That may be the excuse to not run excursions because it would have to weave around active traffic, but NS sure is making it work.

Various entreprenours may try their hand on some business biz like X Train, but its not something to fingerpoint yah ha at. Theres the Pullman Tours and a Murder Mystery train running out of Chicago, so things like this aren't impossible to work with the railroads.

Greenbriar has been in the works for a while and I am sure Ross and the group have things worked out to run their train.

cheers.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:14 pm 

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Has nobody noticed that NS cancelled the fall excursions this year?

And if you think Pullman and Amtrak are happy playmates...you are uninformed.

Wait and watch...


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:38 pm 

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dinwitty wrote:

NS running the steam...4449 runs to steamfest in michigan under the aspects of an official amtrak train, UP running excursions... etc etc...its just one darn railroad essentially making itself being an issue to doing things. There is a hardline thing about it, rail traffic is increased but its using the same ole rail routes used and today it may be hard to build new lines, but some areas are adding 2nd or 3rd tracks to handle traffic. That may be the excuse to not run excursions because it would have to weave around active traffic, but NS sure is making it work.

Various entreprenours may try their hand on some business biz like X Train, but its not something to fingerpoint yah ha at. Theres the Pullman Tours and a Murder Mystery train running out of Chicago, so things like this aren't impossible to work with the railroads.

Greenbriar has been in the works for a while and I am sure Ross and the group have things worked out to run their train.

cheers.



That 4449 move was how many years ago?

UP hasn't run steam since mid-2103 and may not for several more years.

What "murder mystery train running out of Chicago"?


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:27 am 

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I would say some of this is starting to look like attacks on Ross. I know he may not be everyone's favorite steam man but I'm inclined to cut him some slack. He dreams big and runs big, you can't have a big fall unless you go high.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:18 am 

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"I would say some of this is starting to look like attacks on Ross. I know he may not be everyone's favorite steam man but I'm inclined to cut him some slack. He dreams big and runs big, you can't have a big fall unless you go high."

No, this is a critical inquiry into a highly touted project that is going nowhere fast. Ditto for the "Yellow Ribbon Express". Does anybody remember the stillborn venture in Canada?

All of his "successes" have been unsustainable (and I accept the economics of steam as they are, unchanged in six decades.)

On the other hand there are those of us who have heard first-person testimonies of railroad officials (a long ago retired CNJ trainmaster and friend of my Father's described a certain insouciance to that road's priorities -offered unsolicited -when I conversed with him some years ago about an unrelated matter) and I was in the cab of CN 3254 when Ross described it with damning faint praise and a whiff of condescension.

I'm a big admirer of people who figure out how to make it happen with a positive bottom line and no ruffled feathers, the Gramlings and their tank engines, the Levins and the E's and of course the entire crew at Strasburg.

I'm with Babe Ruth on this one. "It ain't bragging, IF YOU CAN DO IT".

Prove the critics wrong. I'd love to be proven wrong, as wrong as I was when I used to say there's no chance of a Big Boy ever running again. I also thought but never said NO WAY 611 will ever run again, and I didn't think C&O 1309 could even be considered for operation. I was wrong in each case, and I'm thrilled.

And yet we sat not 20 feet apart at the last event at Christy Joy's Catering.


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 Post subject: Re: Greenbrier Express liquidation auction
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:47 am 

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As has often been the case here and elsewhere...don't let the naysayers discourage you. Always dream big and give it your best shot. Some will work and some will fail.

Always judge the comments from whence they come. As is obvious in 99.9% of the cases they originate from folks who either hide behind phony names or from people who are experts on everything but have not a single successful project on their CV.

Onwards and upwards !!

All the best, Ross Rowland


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