Lost Engines of Roanoke

H.O. · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:49 pm

The owner of Virginia Scrap Metal where three Norfolk and Western M2 4-8-0s, a W 2-8-0, two Chesapeake Western Baldwin VO660s and various other pieces of railroad equipment rest has died. This obit appeared in today's Roanoke Times:

GOLDEN, Samuel, (Sam), 90, of Roanoke, passed away Sunday, October 19, 2003. He was the widower of Marion Weil Golden. He was the president of Virginia Scrap Iron & Metal and founder of the Sam and Marion Golden Helping Hand Foundation, Inc. He is survived by one sister, Shirley Berbert; numerous nieces, nephews and cousins; special friends and caregivers, Jimmy and JoAnn Holland, Judy Brogan, Debbie Fitzpatrick and Mary Ann Ward. Funeral services will be held at the graveside 2 p.m. Monday, October 20,2003 at Temple Emanuel Cemetery with Rabbi Kathy Cohen officiating. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to a favorite charity. Arrangements by Oakey's Roanoke Chapel.

hcastle@rcn.com

L Beckman · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:39 am

> The owner of Virginia Scrap Metal where
> three Norfolk and Western M2 4-8-0s, a W
> 2-8-0, two Chesapeake Western Baldwin VO660s
> and various other pieces of railroad
> equipment rest has died. This obit appeared
> in today's Roanoke Times:

> GOLDEN, Samuel, (Sam), 90, of Roanoke,
> passed away Sunday, October 19, 2003. He was
> the widower of Marion Weil Golden. He was
> the president of Virginia Scrap Iron &
> Metal and founder of the Sam and Marion
> Golden Helping Hand Foundation, Inc. He is
> survived by one sister, Shirley Berbert;
> numerous nieces, nephews and cousins;
> special friends and caregivers, Jimmy and
> JoAnn Holland, Judy Brogan, Debbie
> Fitzpatrick and Mary Ann Ward. Funeral
> services will be held at the graveside 2
> p.m. Monday, October 20,2003 at Temple
> Emanuel Cemetery with Rabbi Kathy Cohen
> officiating. In lieu of flowers, memorials
> may be made to a favorite charity.
> Arrangements by Oakey's Roanoke Chapel.

Sounds as if the equipment there at VSI&M is not now long for the world. Or perhaps we will get lucky and the heirs will recognize the historical value and donate the equipment. Nah!

midlandblb@cs.com

Ben True · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:29 am

As it so turns out this weekend is going to be the organizational meeting of a group getting together to hopefully save the equipment in the scrap yard. We don't have a name, nor do we have a definitive purpose yet. That'll all be straighten out on Saturday.

My original thoughts on how to do this were that a group would be a first and long step. Some day down the road (when we were established, had funds, land etc. etc.) we'd actually be able to do something, now we might be doing something before we even have a name! (letÂ’s hope this saga doesnÂ’t move that fast)

For any one interested in joining the effort, please feel free to join us at W&L University in the commons room at 2 PM this Saturday (the 25th).

Let me know if youÂ’re interested in coming or in helping.

And as soon as we get our non-profit status, in donating tooÂ…..

btrue@vt.edu

Mike Stillwell · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:06 am

Ben is right on the money. I agree that forming a group would be a good way to ease into a position where a group could come up with a feasible plan to aquire and find good homes for that equipment. But like Bob Richardson, who just wanted a caboose to stick outside his motel, you deal with the circumstances and opportunities presented.
Look forward to meeting everyone Saturday!

Mike Stillwell

> As it so turns out this weekend is going to
> be the organizational meeting of a group
> getting together to hopefully save the
> equipment in the scrap yard. We don't have a
> name, nor do we have a definitive purpose
> yet. That'll all be straighten out on
> Saturday.

> My original thoughts on how to do this were
> that a group would be a first and long step.
> Some day down the road (when we were
> established, had funds, land etc. etc.) we'd
> actually be able to do something, now we
> might be doing something before we even have
> a name! (letÂ’s hope this saga doesnÂ’t move
> that fast)

> For any one interested in joining the
> effort, please feel free to join us at
> W&L University in the commons room at 2
> PM this Saturday (the 25th).

> Let me know if youÂ’re interested in coming
> or in helping.

> And as soon as we get our non-profit status,
> in donating tooÂ…..

Yenko117@yahoo.com

dave · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:14 am

Has anybody approached the family foundation and asked for the equipment and some restoration funding to be granted as a memorial to the deceased?

dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

Andrew Martin · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:31 pm

Hi
As ben stated eairler the meeting is in Lexington VA on the Campus of Washington and Lee university
to get directions to the meeting check the following site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lostengin ... d=45827158

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lostengines/?yguid=45827158
doowoppie@adelphia.net

Andrew Martin · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:41 pm

Hi All
Here are the directions to W&L

Directions to Washington and Lee University
From Roanoke Take Interstate I81 north till you get to the
BuenaVista - Lexington exit. Take the Lexington exit. This will be
Highway 60 West.Stay on 60 past all stoplights. Next you will pass
under an old train bridge. As you pass under it you will see on the
right a Parking Garage and a road that goes by it. Find a spot to
park in this garage. This is the W&L Parking garage. If you can get a
spot on the top floor fine. Looking across the road you will see 5
buildings that are similar.These are the Sororities.To your left
across 60 is the Lenfest Center. Turning around you will be looking
at a big building this is the gym.in the corner of the parking deck
you will see a walkwaythat kinda paralells the gymat the end of the
walk you should see a wooden walkwayTake it. I will also have signs
that say the following
LER MEETING With an arrow pointing. As long as you start on the
parking deck you are ok

Lynchburg is about the same as Roanoke Take 501 or 130 across the
mountain To glasgow. Follow 130 to Natural bridge where it merges
into Hwy 11. Follow Hwy 11 to interstate 81 go north on 81 to the
Lexington exit. follow upper instructions to W&L.
If you stay on 501 to Buena Vista go through BuenaVista to 60. Head
west to Lexington.

From Staunton and parts east and north. Interstates 81 and 64 go
south toi Lexington BuenaVista exit. Head toward Lexington. follow
directions to W&L Parking Deck.

If these directions are too difficult to follow I will try to print a
map and post that. Let me know ASAP

Andrew Martin

doowoppie@adelphia.net

74volts · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:43 pm

Hello,

I am interested in helping the lost engines. I work at CSX as a diesel electrician. Maybe when the time comes I will be able to help with the mechanics of the engines . I also have worked on a few steamers too.

Mike

mk74volts@yahoo.com

Mike Stillwell · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:42 am

Hey Mike, We'd be glad to accept any help out there. I've been wondering how rare those Baldwin diesel switchers are. I've always been more interested in steam, but I'm thinking that they are rare birds as well. I hope we get the chance to put you to work on them. Will you be able to make the meeting Saturday?

Regards - Mike Stillwell

YS-117

> Hello,

> I am interested in helping the lost engines.
> I work at CSX as a diesel electrician. Maybe
> when the time comes I will be able to help
> with the mechanics of the engines . I also
> have worked on a few steamers too.

> Mike

yenko117@yahoo.com

mw · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:31 am

> Hey Mike, We'd be glad to accept any help
> out there. I've been wondering how rare
> those Baldwin diesel switchers are. I've
> always been more interested in steam, but
> I'm thinking that they are rare birds as
> well. I hope we get the chance to put you to
> work on them. Will you be able to make the
> meeting Saturday?

> Regards - Mike Stillwell

> YS-117

From what information I can gather, there are two DS-4-4-1000 units on SMS in New Jersey( at least one operable),two supposedly operable on E&LS in Michigan,two probably still rusting in Kentucky on the defunct Morehead & North Fork(Morgan Fork), two in Roanoke, and six in museums. Two of those are in Canada and one of them was a Baldwin/Canadian Locomotive Co. model. There may be others including some export versions(?), but not many.
mw

p_michael_warren@yahoo.com

Andrew Martin · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:49 pm

Baldwin Diesels
I was asking about this and was told that the
two in Roanoke are DS-4-4-660's
ALM

amartin@wlu.edu

mw · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:43 pm

> Baldwin Diesels
> I was asking about this and was told that
> the
> two in Roanoke are DS-4-4-660's
> ALM
According to the Lost Engines website, they are
1000's. But I found a photo of #662 that identifies it as a 660.
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel62.html
mw

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel62.html
p_michael_warren@yahoo.com

Richard Jenkins · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:44 pm

They are indeed 660's. I still need to post the correction on the web site.

The Lost Engines of Roanoke
rjenkins@railfan.net

Andrew Martin · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:20 pm

Wasnt there an Alco Diesel that was part of the C&W RR too. I think someone said it was resting at the VTM at this time. Does anybody know for sure

> They are indeed 660's. I still need to post
> the correction on the web site.

amartin@wlu.edu

Mike Stillwell · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:38 am

Hey Andrew, Can you tell us more about the C&W? Was it a shortline, or a subsidiary of a larger road? You mentioned there is a station in Harrisonburg, VA, are there any other remains?

Thanks - Mike

> Wasnt there an Alco Diesel that was part of
> the C&W RR too. I think someone said it
> was resting at the VTM at this time. Does
> anybody know for sure

Yenko117@yahoo.com