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 Post subject: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:01 am 

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Stumbled upon this online at an interesting antique store. Here is the link:

https://www.obnoxiousantiques.com/inven ... ocomotive/

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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:08 am 

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The listing contains a view of the ocomotive dataplate. It was made by a famous name, Fageol, in Oakland, California.

The proportions are reminiscent of Woodard's roughly-contemporary high-speed Atlantic. Usually you see amusement-park locomotives that are 'Old West' style or that have cabbage-cutter wheels. This is meant to evoke a then-modern passenger locomotive...

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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:34 pm 

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Is this one of the Kennywood engines?

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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 3:00 pm 

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Does anyone recognize the engine? Looks possibly newer than 1924.


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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:23 pm 

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I live near by and have been tempted to go have a look. The guys that own this shop are older guys, pretty cool, have come up with some interesting stuff. They are usually fairly willing to negotiate the price. As to this beast, with the large rear wheel, small front wheels, I’d bet it’s a Fageol tractor living under the skin and fake rods/valve gear. If anything, the drive wheel is pretty darn nice, but then Fageol tractors tended to have unusual rear wheels. Comparing the ride position to their tractors, it really has the Fageol tractor proportions. Would be interesting to see what it has for a transmission as Fageol only had F-N-R from what I see online, really did not have a main clutch either, one just used the steering clutches on the rear wheels. Based on photos of the rear axle of Fageol tractors, it looks like this locomotive has a Fageol rear axle. Looks like they stopped producing tractors in Oakland by 1923.


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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:18 pm 

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You can clearly see an engine with spark plugs in one of the pictures so the valve gear etc. is definitely just for show.


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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:26 pm 

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2 of the photos show it comes with 4 spark plugs.


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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:12 pm 

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If this is actually built out of an 'orchard tractor' it might be interesting to see whether the unusual features of the drive are present.

As a check, see if the engine is a Lycoming.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:24 am 

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For the 1915 Panama Pacific Exposition, Fageol contracted for a fleet of Fageol Auto Trains (using Ford engines), rubber tired trackless locomotives and cars. They were sold after the Expo, with some going to Chicago's Lincoln Park and some to Cleveland's Euclid Beach Park. Is 1924 accurate? The tractor business was sold to Great Western Motors in 1921. Could this be a rebuilt Expo locomotive or a later incarnation? The brothers left Fageol in 1927 to concentrate on the bus business. Here is linked the brothers' 1910 patent for an electric pleasure railway: https://patents.google.com/patent/US927517A/en

Here is a patent for a tired passenger car: https://patents.google.com/patent/US121 ... eol&page=4

Here is the flexible road train, applied for in 1916: https://patents.google.com/patent/US122 ... eol&page=5

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:46 am 

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From what I've been able to tell, the 1915 'locomotives' had four relatively small equal-diameter5 wheels, and more resembled automobiles than steam locomotives. I did not think Great Western used 'Fageol' plates on the equipment it manufactured (although this might be countered by finding dataplates from confirmed Great Western production).

A definitive 'spotting' feature of the 1915 tractors was that they had Ford, not Lycoming, motors.

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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:10 pm 

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wesp wrote:
Is this one of the Kennywood engines?

~Wesley


No, they are much larger, maybe 3' gauge? One was sold, and is on display somewhere, maybe an antique store. Another was made over as Thomas. I think the third may be on site in relatively original condition.

Way back in the park's early history, they had a couple of 4-4-0s that they used for shows of some sort. I've only seen a couple of photos of them and the details were vague.


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 Post subject: Re: 1924 Amusement Park Train in NJ
PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:24 am 

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Yes, the Cagney/Vulcan at Kennywood in it's original state is still in service. They are 3 ft. gauge. Saw and rode behind it last August. It has been seeing more service than the one with the fiberglass Thomas overlay, which from what i hear suffers from overheating in it's current state.


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