> Better check the rates on scrap. This week I
> was advised that heavy metal prices are now
> over $200/ton which is more than 10 cents
> per pound. At these rates, which are the
> highest in years and years, I believe we
> will see a lot of endangered critters going
> to the torch.

... at least 20 steamships went to scrap last year; with more expected to go this year. High oil prices and the next round of SOLAS regulations don't help, either.

That may be another reason he has decided to part with them after all of this time.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

Surviving World Steam Project
james@survivingworldsteam.com

> I have to agree here, so my proposal is to
> buy the 0-4-0's and apply skyline shrouds to
> them. The continuity with the stainless
> steel fluted coach is far more authentic!

> Nah, trade them for one of the later Porter
> fireless engines with the skyline casing,
> and place it in front of the train! :)

Now, see, THAT's the kind of insightful thinking I was hoping to provoke . . . ;-)

JAC

Hi Bob
Since I have posted about the two saddle tank engines I have been checking with people to see what could be done. There are several old Wooden Boxcars there too. The wood on the boxcars is gone but the metal is intact, so they are restorable without too much trouble. Our Organization is new and we havent finished getting our Non Profit status at this time. We do have State Certification. ( See the Link below )
If any body decides to acquire these locos or wants to help us in the effort to acquire them let us know and we can discuss the steps needed to get it done.Saving them is the Important thing.
Andrew Martin
TWVRPS


TWVRPS
amartin@wlu.edu

Dennis
I will try to get GAry to post here . He knows a great deal about the Boxcars there
Andrew Martin
TWVRPS



amartin@wlu.edu

It is a rather sad fact that the CP&LE 2-4-0 pictured, Porter "Jenny K", is stored inoperable in the Cedar Point engine house needing basically an entirely new firebox or boiler. BTW, the marker lights are NYCS coach marker lights (initials cast in the base). I really enjoyed running "Jenny" when I worked on the railroad in my college years, and would highly recommend a Porter to any individual or group looking to aquire a "critter" to restore and operate.

It occurs to me that an enterprising person with experience in working on steam locos might aquire one of those 0-4-0's to restore in some form to rent to festivals, fairs, etc. as an attraction - convert an old flat car,or two and you have a ride for the duration of the event. Granted, not as easy to move as a 15" gauge gasoline "Pioneer", but potentially a real draw for a community that has no nearby steam operation. Probably would only make sense for events of at least a couple of weeks. Just a thought. I'll probably hear the full story of the unrealistic nature of this idea from Steam REalist, or someone else like that.

> Also note that some saddletankers can be
> rebuilt into nice looking 2-4-0s, such as
> the narrow gauge example below. As such,
> they are more or less revisionary history,
> but better than scrap and cute besides.


pww57@hotmail.com

> It occurs to me that an enterprising person
> with experience in working on steam locos
> might aquire one of those 0-4-0's to restore
> in some form to rent to festivals, fairs,
> etc. as an attraction - convert an old flat
> car,or two and you have a ride for the
> duration of the event. Granted, not as easy
> to move as a 15" gauge gasoline
> "Pioneer", but potentially a real
> draw for a community that has no nearby
> steam operation. Probably would only make
> sense for events of at least a couple of
> weeks. Just a thought. I'll probably hear
> the full story of the unrealistic nature of
> this idea from Steam REalist, or someone
> else like that.

It's realistic for sure, as long as you don't expect the income to cover your expenses. Other than that, what you suggest is not too dissimilar to what Dan Markoff does with Eureka.


eledbetter@rypn.org

> Also note that some saddletankers can be
> rebuilt into nice looking 2-4-0s, such as
> the narrow gauge example below. As such,
> they are more or less revisionary history,
> but better than scrap and cute besides.

No they can't.

The essential nature of the saddletanker is that they are so ugly they are cute - much like the average alleycat. You could put, for example, Marty Knox in an evening gown but it doesn't make him Gweneth Paltrow. Better yet, dont.

0-4-0Ts can and do carry passengers and provide entertainment and education to the public at relatively affordable and maintainable cost. GOAT burn about 220 gallons of crankcase squeezings from cold start to shut down at the end of a LONG day. What does the 4-8-4 burn just to fire up?

These little, approachable and personable tankers may be the only reasonable option for living steam at many institutions. Celebrate them and have fun with them for what they are - honest buiders of the economic strength of the USA.

dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

> No they can't.

> The essential nature of the saddletanker is
> that they are so ugly they are cute - much
> like the average alleycat. You could put,
> for example, Marty Knox in an evening gown
> but it doesn't make him Gweneth Paltrow.
> Better yet, dont.

> 0-4-0Ts can and do carry passengers and
> provide entertainment and education to the
> public at relatively affordable and
> maintainable cost. GOAT burn about 220
> gallons of crankcase squeezings from cold
> start to shut down at the end of a LONG day.
> What does the 4-8-4 burn just to fire up?

Dave:

Just exactly what do you mean by "crankcase squeezings"?

Les Beckman (Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum/North Judson, Indiana)

> These little, approachable and personable
> tankers may be the only reasonable option
> for living steam at many institutions.
> Celebrate them and have fun with them for
> what they are - honest buiders of the
> economic strength of the USA.

> dave


midlandblb@cs.com

Let us remember that the humble 0-4-0T, available in a multitude of track gauges, was the late-19th/early-20th century equivalent of the tractor/towmotor/hauler of today. Before internal combusition engines and rubber tires, thousands of these little pots were the haulers of choice in many industries, from breweries to coal mines to foundries to quarries to shipyards and construction sites. They were made to be almost disposable, built for industrial use at low cost and sometimes abandoned on-site when a job was finished. Any 0-4-0T was better than a team of horses or oxen!

K4s1361@hotmail.com

> Dave:

> Just exactly what do you mean by
> "crankcase squeezings"?

> Les Beckman (Hoosier Valley Railroad
> Museum/North Judson, Indiana)

Recycled waste oil fuel.

dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

The Netherlands has an entire operating museum devoted to narrow-gauge contractors' and industrial locomotives, mostly little 0-4-0s: the 'Nederlandse Smalspoorwegstichting' or Dutch society for narrow gauge railways. They operate a neat demonstration railway and a complex of large modern exhibit and storage buildings outside of Leiden.




eledbetter@rypn.org