Perhaps Hume will run into this one?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/98644401/98645883Vyhrik
ryarger@rypn.org

> Perhaps Hume will run into this one?

Interesting. Would be nice to know if this was one of the U.S. locomotives sent over to Korea. If so, is it the only one still in "existence?"

Les Beckman (HVRM)

midlandblb@cs.com

> Interesting. Would be nice to know if this
> was one of the U.S. locomotives sent over to
> Korea. If so, is it the only one still in
> "existence?"

> Les Beckman (HVRM)

It is hard to tell from the remains in the photograph what it is. It looks to me like a 2-8-2; of which both North and South Korea had lots of prior and during the war. It may be a MIKA-3; which were built by Hitachi in 1947. There were five of these in South Korea in 1947, and 131 MIKA class engines in total. There were 292 in North Korea in 1947.

The majority of what we sent to South Korea were the S-160 2-8-0s we have talked about here in the past. A total of 101 were sent to South Korea; they were classified as SOLI-2. According to Don Ross' website, the S-160s were not well-liked by Korean crews because of their right-hand drive on a left-hand railroad. They spent most of their time in yard service and on some short local runs. However, apparently some of them were exported to North Korea from China (who in turn recieved them from the UNRRA), so they also ended up serving on both sides of the war.

There were also six Baldwin-built "General Pershing" 2-8-0s sent to South Korea as well. One of these was given back to the US after conflict was suspended; and it is at National RR Museum, Green Bay, WI. (Another "General Pershing" 2-8-0 with a new boiler is active at the Texas State RR in Rusk, Texas; but it never went to Korea.) I am not aware of any other "General Pershing" 2-8-0s remaining in Korea.

The single Erie Railroad K-1 class Pacific that Hume is searching for is #2524, one of a batch of 41 built by Rogers in 1905 and 1906. It was the sole example sent to Korea; and was one of several worn-out engines sent by U.S. Railroads to Korea to help with a shortage of motive power.

The picture below was taken in 1965 by Tom Reynolds. It depicts a MIKA-3 engine in the middle of the DMZ. At the time of his visit, it was stranded in a minefield; however, it looks like the one in the picture Bob found, with the sand dome and a few more bits gone.

There are either one or two engines stranded in the DMZ. One of them was pictured on a South Korean postage stamp.

All of the above, along with some more information, can be found on my Korean Steam Locomotive page below. I assume it was my posting the sighting of the K-1 Pacific in South Korea a few years ago that prompted Hume's trip to Korea. I wish him the best of luck in his search; I hope he has some steam pictures to share with us on his return.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

North & South Korean Steam Locomotives

james@survivingworldsteam.com

In 1970 I saw a MiKa-5 arrive at Yongsan missing one driving axle among other parts. Imagine my surprise when it turned up a couple weeks later freshly painted and in running condition.



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> Perhaps Hume will run into this one?

Well, altho I would have loved to do some railranning while in Korea, it was a business trip with little time for sightseeing.

I spent most of the time in Busan, southern tip, and was driven north by my hosts in a bus to Daejeon for one day. That was as close as I got to Seoul and the DMZ.

I did see lots of modern railroads, and construction related to the bullet train which will eventually run from Seoul to Busan. Interesting to note the Korean's interstate highway system mimics ours down to the numbering of the roads, the color of the signs and the traffic jams. They are building both new roads and passenger railroads.

I did ask about steam engines and none of them knew where a single one was. And, I kept my eyes open during the drive from Busan to Daejeon and say some really neat looking old signals but no engines, either steam or diesel, on display.

The coolest thing I saw was the Buddhist temple at Gyeongju.

Regardless, I now have contacts there, some of who live in Seoul and there is the possibility I will be going back, and could maybe arrange to go thru Seoul with a day to sight see. Should this opportunity arise I will be sure and seek guidance on where to search for old U.S. steam.

My Korea Pictures
hkading@rypn.org

> The single Erie Railroad K-1 class Pacific
> that Hume is searching for is #2524, one of
> a batch of 41 built by Rogers in 1905 and
> 1906. It was the sole example sent to Korea;
> and was one of several worn-out engines sent
> by U.S. Railroads to Korea to help with a
> shortage of motive power.

James:

Although the Erie 4-6-2 is the most famous of the former U.S. locomotives sent to Korea (the only passenger engine) there were a number of others. They apparently came from the C&O, PRR, Erie and perhaps other roads. On the Penny discussion website some time back, was the discussion of a PRR B6 0-6-0 that worked a yard in Korea at one time. It is amazing to me that no formal listing of engines sent there has ever been published. So the questions are these:

1. What former ("worn out") U.S. class 1 engines actually went to Korea? An actual list is needed!
Railroad, road numbers and type. I believe there were more than just "several".

2. Are any of these locomotives in existance today (either derelict or preserved)?

Les Beckman (HVRM)

> All of the above, along with some more
> information, can be found on my Korean Steam
> Locomotive page below. I assume it was my
> posting the sighting of the K-1 Pacific in
> South Korea a few years ago that prompted
> Hume's trip to Korea. I wish him the best of
> luck in his search; I hope he has some steam
> pictures to share with us on his return.

> -James Hefner
> Hebrews 10:20a


midlandblb@cs.com

So the questions are these:

> 1. What former ("worn out") U.S. class 1 engines actually went to Korea? An actual list is needed!
> Railroad, road numbers and type. I believe there were more than just "several".

At the Hagley Museum in Delaware, records and photos exist to document the shipment of at least some, if not all, of the PRR engines. The photos show one batch of B6sb-class 0-6-0s and H8/9/10-class 2-8-0s bundled up for shipping on an oceangoing vessel.

Dan Cupper
Harrisburg, Pa.

cupper@att.net

> So the questions are these:

> At the Hagley Museum in Delaware, records
> and photos exist to document the shipment of
> at least some, if not all, of the PRR
> engines. The photos show one batch of
> B6sb-class 0-6-0s and H8/9/10-class 2-8-0s
> bundled up for shipping on an oceangoing
> vessel.

> Dan Cupper
> Harrisburg, Pa.

Dan:

Thanks!

Les


midlandblb@cs.com

> So the questions are these:

> 1. What former ("worn out") U.S.
> class 1 engines actually went to Korea? An
> actual list is needed!
> Railroad, road numbers and type. I believe
> there were more than just
> "several".

> Les Beckman (HVRM)

According to the jacket on my LP 'Chesapeake and Ohio Sounds', copyright 1978 by the C&O Historical Society, several C&O 0-8-0 switchers went to Korea. The caption reads as follows: "Band 1 - A C&O T-1, still looking smart in July, 1954, labors up Toano hill past Norge, VA, on the Penninsula Subdivision heading for Newport News." "The three dead engines (in tow) are 0-8-0 switchers on their way to Korea. They are part of a total of 18 locomotives given to the Korean National Railways by the C&O Ry."

Perhaps someone at the C&OHS might have info to add about the C&O engines that went overseas?

Todd


TKMSMullens@wmconnect.com

> Perhaps someone at the C&OHS might have
> info to add about the C&O engines that
> went overseas?

About 10 years ago (give or take a few) the C&OHS had an article about this. As I remember it, there were a lot of 0-8-0's and I know for sure 2-8-0 number 708 (I think I ex hocking valley engine) there seemed to be one or two more odd balls, but I'd have to find that newsletter to say for sure and it's currently 2 hours away....



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