Surv.loco catastrophic rebuilds

Richard · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:41 am

The posts about the CB&Q Hudson and the 1/8th Union Pacific Bigboy got me thinking about an odd offshot of preservation. Other than U.P. #4005, which preserved locomotive, steam, Diesel, or electric, were rebuilt from catastrophic derailments, collisions, explosions, etc? Isn't the Washington Station run-away GG-1 still amongst the slumbering? Others?

glueck@maine.edu

Dan Cupper · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:53 am

> which preserved locomotive,
> steam, Diesel, or electric, were rebuilt
> from catastrophic derailments, collisions,
> explosions, etc? Isn't the Washington
> Station run-away GG-1 still amongst the
> slumbering? Others?

In addition to GG1 4876 that you mentioned, which does survive, PRR 520 (a Baldwin 2-8-2, PRR Class L1s) at the RR Museum of Pa. was once involved in a boiler explosion. I believe that Prof. Bob Blackson is preparing an article for The Keystone (PRR Technical & Historical Society magazine) on that subject.

Dan Cupper
Harrisburg, Pa.

Kenneth Cotton · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:30 pm

> In addition to GG1 4876 that you mentioned,
> which does survive, PRR 520 (a Baldwin
> 2-8-2, PRR Class L1s) at the RR Museum of
> Pa. was once involved in a boiler explosion.
> I believe that Prof. Bob Blackson is
> preparing an article for The Keystone (PRR
> Technical & Historical Society magazine)
> on that subject.

> Dan Cupper
> Harrisburg, Pa.

i have a couple additions to that list. SP 2479 was wrecked in California,SP 745 had a boiler explosion in Texas( quite an interesting story behind that one) SP 786 has ben involved in at least one sideswipe and near head on collision. SP 982 also turned over in Eagle,Lake Texas.ot sure about any others right off hand but I'm sure there are more of them.

kbcotton@flash.net

George Kaplan · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:35 pm

N&W 611 is a wreck survivor, isn't it?
How about Sou Ry. 1401?

L Beckman · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:48 pm

> N&W 611 is a wreck survivor, isn't it?
> How about Sou Ry. 1401?

One of the surviving Preston Railroad 2-8-0's (either # 18 or 19) had a boiler explosion when it was in service on the West Virginia Northern (where it was numbered either 8 or 9.) A new boiler was supplied by Baldwin. These two locomotives are now privately owned and, from what I hear, not in good shape.

midlandblb@cs.com

Jan K. Lorenzen · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:12 pm

Lake Shore Electric coach #7 (Barney & Smith 1900) rolled over not once, but twice. The only survivor of that class car lives (right side up) on the Jedlicka farm near Columbus, OH.

HP · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:52 pm

Valley Railroad (CT) 2-8-2 #40 was rolled over when in the employ of the Aberdeen & Rockfish, at Ft. Bragg, NC, about 1943. It was rebuilt by the Seaboard's shops after the accident.

hpincus@mindspring.com

Doug B · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:27 pm

> Valley Railroad (CT) 2-8-2 #40 was rolled
> over when in the employ of the Aberdeen
> & Rockfish, at Ft. Bragg, NC, about
> 1943. It was rebuilt by the Seaboard's shops
> after the accident.
SP&S 700 hit a rock slide in the canyon above the Snake River.

dpbpdx@yahoo.com

Ben True · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:42 pm

> One of the surviving Preston Railroad
> 2-8-0's (either # 18 or 19) had a boiler
> explosion when it was in service on the West
> Virginia Northern (where it was numbered
> either 8 or 9.) A new boiler was supplied by
> Baldwin. These two locomotives are now
> privately owned and, from what I hear, not
> in good shape.

CSRR no 4 was rolled off a tresle at one time, if you come to Cass today you can still see the frame welds where it was apprently straightened. This happened long before Mower Lumber brought her to Cass in the 40's

I think if you want to get in to lumber railroads, there's plenty of loco's that took some pretty bad spills and came back to life.

CSRR no.5 has an oddly bend connecting rod and a intersting non-factory crank, no body knows why but it builds a good argument for a pretty bad derailment at an unfortunate location.

btrue@vt.edu

H.O. · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:23 pm

> N&W 611 is a wreck survivor, isn't it?

Yes, the 611 derailed spectacularly on Jan. 23, 1956 west of Devon, W.Va. with No. 3, the westbound Pocahontas. She ended up on her left side on the bank of the Tug Fork River with her tender still connected, but upside down. The wreck is recounted in "Norfolk and Western Class J, The Finest Steam Passenger Locomotive" by Kenneth L. Miller.

hcastle@rcn.com

finderskeepers · **Posted:** Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:06 pm

Fan trip favourite of the 1960's Canadian National 4-8-4 6167 had a disasterous head on collision with sister engine 6166 when virtually brand new. Had it not been for a severe shortage of engines in WWII, both engines would have been scrapped. If memory serves me correctly many crew members died in the accident.

David M. Wilkins · **Posted:** Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:21 am

L&N 152 rolled over at least twice in its life. At least one of the incidents resulted in the loss of the crew's life.

I believe Southern 1401 was involved in a grade crossing wreck, as I have seen a photo of her on her side. I think it happened in the late 1930s or early 1940s.

In the diesel world, our ex-Monon BL-2 #32 was involved in some type of rollover wreck when virtually new. The front steps are still bent from this incident.

david.wilkins@bardstown.com

Matt Conrad · **Posted:** Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:12 am

> The posts about the CB&Q Hudson and the
> 1/8th Union Pacific Bigboy got me thinking
> about an odd offshot of preservation. Other
> than U.P. #4005, which preserved locomotive,
> steam, Diesel, or electric, were rebuilt
> from catastrophic derailments, collisions,
> explosions, etc? Isn't the Washington
> Station run-away GG-1 still amongst the
> slumbering? Others?

SCRM's 4-6-0, Hampton & Branchville #44, was involved in a rollover when she was only 6 months old. If you look at the firebox on the fireman's side, you can see the scar where the rear driver dug in. Several staybolts were damaged, but never repaired. I figure we'll fix that when we eventually restore her to operation (lo-o-o-ong range plans, don't hold your breath).

The South Carolina Railroad Museum

mconrad@compuzone.net

Matt Conrad · **Posted:** Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:15 am

> CSRR no 4 was rolled off a tresle at one
> time, if you come to Cass today you can
> still see the frame welds where it was
> apprently straightened. This happened long
> before Mower Lumber brought her to Cass in
> the 40's

> I think if you want to get in to lumber
> railroads, there's plenty of loco's that
> took some pretty bad spills and came back to
> life.

Graham County #1925 was rolled, too. This caused the Spencer folks unending problems when they rebuilt her.

> CSRR no.5 has an oddly bend connecting rod
> and a intersting non-factory crank, no body
> knows why but it builds a good argument for
> a pretty bad derailment at an unfortunate
> location.

The South Carolina Railroad Museum
mconrad@compuzone.net

Dave Crosby · **Posted:** Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:30 am

Hello

When some NPS staff were working on a detailed history study on Steamtown's CP 2317 they related to me that the bad-luck engine was involved in a boiler explosion and a rollover somwhere along the line. I can't find the info now for the life of me.

Dave Crosby

bing@epix.net