PA4 "NKP 190" Moving East to Scranton

David Notarius · **Posted:** Thu May 11, 2023 8:28 am

Hi Guys;
Getting back on topic, anyone know the latest location of the PA? Also, is someone riding the cab or following the loco from DL?
Thanks - David Notarius

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Thu May 11, 2023 10:29 am

David Notarius wrote:

Getting back on topic, anyone know the latest location of the PA? Also, is someone riding the cab or following the loco from DL?

It's quite obvious from GVT's photo updates that Charles Newton, the photographer of all the photo updates to their Facebook page, is accompanying the loco the entire way from Oregon to at least Chicago, most likely by auto/truck as an "expediter" or escort that shadows the movement the entire way, as both another set of eyes and ears for the owner(s) and someone to "ride the crew's posterior" if they try to do something wrong or stupid.

This is not an easy job; I've done it for passenger rolling stock and locomotives being transferred halfway or more across the nation, and there can be a LOT of "hurry up and wait" involved. You can be driving non-stop across several states and then have to cool your heels in a yard for four days, only to have your charge backtrack across town/the state to another yard for three days of thumb-twiddling as crew after crew refuses to touch your "fancy" load. Then you pray that something protruding from a locomotive or a passing train doesn't damage anything on your car/loco (as I watched happen in one Chicago yard and documented for the owner for the insurance claim).

GVT has not (as of this morning) reported an eastbound departure from Clearing Yard on the BRC in Chicago, where the loco is supposed to proceed on NS over the former NKP............

Bobharbison · **Joined:** Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:42 pm **Posts:** 2945

That placard was pretty useless.

First of all, you're assuming the typical T&E crew even knows what a "self guarded frog" is to start with. They probably know the term "frog", if you're lucky. Can they tell them apart? That's unlikely.

Secondly, let's say they know what they are. Do you think they know where they are? I do extensive work for Tacoma Rail. We've installed many of the turnouts. Even I can't tell you which ones are self guarded off the top of my head.

Third, even if they find one, then what? There's not usually another route they can take to go around. Maybe in the yards, sometimes. Aside from that, you're out of luck.

The only proper solution? "10 mph max speed over all turnouts."
That would, of course, be a special movement, with "special" pricing to match. Guarantee you won't like the price.

EJ Berry wrote:

THe late Dave Shore was engine messenger on Frisco 1630. IRM's Russian Decapod. She was built to Russian 5' 0" gauge but because of the Bolshevic Revolution, could not be exported to Russia. She was rebuilt to US 4' 8 1/2" gauge. The drivers and cylinders remained Russian gauge and extra-wide driver tires put the flanges at US gauge.

On the move, she was placarded "no self-guarding frogs." The engine would frequently go Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, each time coming back down on the rails.

Nobody reads placards or waybills.

Phil Mulligan

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

https://www.facebook.com/gvtrailco/post ... 6WKNEMakKl
"Genesee Valley Transportation Co., Inc.
2h ·
NKP/DL190 is scheduled to depart Clearing Yard today around 2:00PM CST via 34G en route to Elkhart, IN.
#pacomeshome Journey to Scranton, PA
Photos attached during inbound, stay, and outbound prep.
Photos by Charlie Newton for GVT Rail System, All Rights Reserved.
This update is for informational purposes only. Please refrain from entering railroad property during this historic journey. Safety first!"

Seems to imply ex-NYC rather than ex-NKP, and also another stop in a huge yard. Looking back, I wonder why BNSF didn't just turn it over to NS in KC for a trip on the old Wabash to Ft. Wayne.

Edit. A note at around midnight Thursday night: "NS train W4G is running late, and NS is parking the train at Laporte IN at the siding there. Crew is out of time. So the PA will be stuck there for the time being."

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

heritageunits.com has it arriving at Elkhart at 3:50PM ET: https://heritageunits.com/locomotive/detail/NKP190

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... eads-east/

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

https://www.facebook.com/gvtrailco/vide ... 479522647/
"Genesee Valley Transportation Co., Inc.
11h ·
A thank you to BRC while 190 was in Chicago and surrounding areas and yards. Here is a quick video of NKP DL 190 passing Downer’s Grove Main Street. More to come.
Video by Charlie Newton for GVT Rail System, All Rights Reserved.
190 is scheduled to depart Elkhart today most likely via 310. "

JimBoylan · **Posted:** Mon May 15, 2023 1:28 pm

SD70dude wrote:

RE: brain-dead switching moves, sometimes the railroad's own equipment is the target. We had someone kick a bunch of loads onto CN's Geometry Test Train, even after being told it was in that track and was occupied.

Was this before "Occupied Camp Car" signs and derails were invented and required?

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

"Genesee Valley Transportation Co., Inc.
7h ·
We are on the move today!
On 310, passing Edgerton, OH most recently
This update is for informational purposes only. Please refrain from entering railroad property during this historic journey. Safety first!"

heritageunits.com has it at Cleveland at 12:53 PM ET. https://heritageunits.com/locomotive/detail/NKP190

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

https://www.facebook.com/gvtrailco/vide ... 796725172/
"Genesee Valley Transportation Co., Inc.
8h ·
As NKP/DL190 continues to move east of Cleveland, OH tonight, en route to Buffalo; take a look at this video from Clearing Yard, LA Porte and Elkhart.
Video filmed by Charles Newton for GVT Rail System, All Rights Reserved.
This update is for informational purposes only. Please refrain from entering railroad property during this historic journey. Safety first!"

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2023 10:23 am

Reported as through North East, Pa. (Lake Shore Railway Museum webcam) at 12:41 AM eastbound, so somewhere in NY State by now, it's safe to assume.

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

https://www.facebook.com/gvtrailco/post ... u2PbocBWcl
"Genesee Valley Transportation Co., Inc.
2h ·
Photo Collection: Nickel Plate 190 waits for today's sunrise at Bison Yard, Buffalo, NY. Supposed to leave on 310, destination Binghamton, NY, this evening.
Photos: EDO Trains for GVT Rail System, All Rights Reserved.
Our commemorative shirt celebrating the #pacomeshome journey is available at the link below. All proceeds go towards the restoration fund for NKP/DL190. Thank you!
https://edotrains.com/.../nkp190-comes- ... lassic.../
This update is for informational purposes only. Please refrain from entering railroad property during this historic journey. Safety first!"

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2612

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... kel-plate/

The big · **Posted:** Tue May 16, 2023 7:21 pm

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/alco-pa-to-be-publicly-displayed-at-steamtown/
Good to see 190 display for the public is a fact
BUT
Hahaha if somes peoples look this news i think the subject of Steamtown(Dieseltown) get is comeback

Is a joke, please don't take it seriously, i mean Steamtown here in RYPN is like well you know

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Thu May 18, 2023 1:40 pm

Reported as "on the fuel rack at East Binghamton, "it will be leaving on K-82 tonight and headed for Taylor and probably delivered to the DL sometime tomorrow."

PA4 "NKP 190" Moving East to Scranton

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