Hi guys,

I just ordered the latest issue of the Bytown Railway Society's Canadian Trackside Guide. This wondeful annual resource tool is a must for modern railfans, but also for preservationists as it includes a listing of all known old trains in Canada plus historic Canadian trains in the US.

So we all know how many CP and CN steamers there are to send back north, but if you look through the guide you will see how much US rolling stock we can bring back.

Want some examples?

The Cranbrrok guys have an 1890 IC baggage car.
There are a few ex NAR "combooses" built from Jackson & Sharp 1899 coaches that were the Boston & Albany 600 series.
A car in Alberta is 1874 Pullamnn Dalhousie, once IC sleeper of the same name.
PRR 1880 coach #2667 is also in Alberta.

There is much more of interest, including Erie and DL&W coachs (also a few DL&W MU's) and CP Rail still rosters the Rutland jordan spreader!

This book is worth every cent. If you are a museum looking for a trade, this is a great resource.

Rob Davis

inlinebob@aol.com

> ...but if you
> look through the guide you will see how much
> US rolling stock we can bring back.

Yes, but most of that equipment has a Canadian History also.

> Want some examples?

> The Cranbrrok guys have an 1890 IC baggage
> car.

Only on the IC until 1916. It then became the property of Canadian Government Railways which later became part of Canadian National. Most of its working life was spent in Canada.

> A car in Alberta is 1874 Pullamnn Dalhousie,
> once IC sleeper of the same name.

Again, Canadian Government Railways property after 1919.

> PRR 1880 coach #2667 is also in Alberta.

Spent most of its life on the Edmonton, Dunvegan & British Columbia Railway after 1914.

> This book is worth every cent. If you are a
> museum looking for a trade, this is a great
> resource.

I totally agree. I've picked up a copy every year for about the last seven years.

You forgot to mention Reading 2100. With the exception of the last three years, its entire history is in the U.S., but it is listed in the guide also.


robsterne@hotmail.com

Somehow a picture of 2816 became attached to this post which I attached to another post a few days ago. Sorry about that.

robsterne@hotmail.com

> Somehow a picture of 2816 became attached to
> this post which I attached to another post a
> few days ago. Sorry about that.

Hey, that's a cool accident posting that picture, since #2816 came back.

I agree, Rob, that these ex US cars I mentioned have a Canadian history, too. I am glad you pointed it out, as there are far too few US buffs who realize how much of the CN and CP int he states has US service history as well!

I can appreciate how much of the Steamtown collection actually had Canadian AND US history, but that is usually lost on buffs here. What do I know? In high school I was voted most likely to be Canadian. I love hockey (God's greatest gift to sport) and I say "organ-eye-zay-shun."


Now about those B&A coaches...

Rob

inlinebob@aol.com

> Want some examples?

> The Cranbrrok guys have an 1890 IC baggage
> car.

> A car in Alberta is 1874 Pullamnn Dalhousie,
> once IC sleeper of the same name.

If I'm dealing with Canadian equipment, I take any notation to "IC" to mean "Intercolonial Railway of Canada." This was a predecessor to the Canadian National in eastern Canada. Don't confuse this with the Illinois Central.

I'm not all that sure about all of the ins and outs of the history of the Canadian National. Maybe someone an enlighten us.

Now the DALHOUSIE was built by Barney & Smith in 1874-75 for Pullman Palace Car Co. and sold to Intercolonial Railway in 1886. The car was built before Pullman established its own construction facility.

Brian Norden

bnorden@gateway.net

> If I'm dealing with Canadian equipment, I
> take any notation to "IC" to mean
> "Intercolonial Railway of Canada."
>
In the production of the Canadian Trackside we follow strict North American practice for Company Acronyms. The "IC" is Illinois Central. "ICR" is the acronym for the Intercolonial Railway of Canada" one of the components of the CN. As a member of the Publications Committee for the guide the compliment is much appreciated...Paul

> In the production of the Canadian Trackside
> we follow strict North American practice for
> Company Acronyms. The "IC" is
> Illinois Central. "ICR" is the
> acronym for the Intercolonial Railway of
> Canada" one of the components of the
> CN. As a member of the Publications
> Committee for the guide the compliment is
> much appreciated...Paul

Paul:

In the guide, for the cars listed by Rob Davis as "IC" how are they listed? IC or ICR?

I would take the original post to indicate that Mr. Davis thinks that the two cars listed are IC [Illinois Central] not Intercolonial.

The sleeping car named was owned by Intercolonial and is listed in the "Canadaian National Railways Passenger Equipment 1867-1992" as such. Also Ralph Barger's "A Centruy of Pullman Cars Vol. II" lists the car as being sold to the Intercolonial.

Having known the preservation activity at Cranbrook, I would believe that the baggage car there is Intercolonial not IC.

Brian Norden

bnorden@gateway.net

I stand formerly confused and now clear. Yes, the Intercolonial (ICR) vs Illinois Central is my faux pas.

So, I'll make up for it... how about the Louisville and Nashville 1913 combine in Edmonton?

And the previous B&A and PRR stock mentioned.

This morning's reading turned up a Lehigh Coal & Navigation Vulcan 0-4-ST in Ontario.

Get this book, fellas. here is alot out there!

Rob

> Paul:

> In the guide, for the cars listed by Rob
> Davis as "IC" how are they listed?
> IC or ICR?

> I would take the original post to indicate
> that Mr. Davis thinks that the two cars
> listed are IC [Illinois Central] not
> Intercolonial.

> The sleeping car named was owned by
> Intercolonial and is listed in the
> "Canadaian National Railways Passenger
> Equipment 1867-1992" as such. Also
> Ralph Barger's "A Centruy of Pullman
> Cars Vol. II" lists the car as being
> sold to the Intercolonial.

> Having known the preservation activity at
> Cranbrook, I would believe that the baggage
> car there is Intercolonial not IC.

> Brian Norden


inlinebob@aol.com

About 18 months ago, I remember seeing an ex L&N Jim Crow wooden combine for sale in Canada on D.F. Barnhardt's web page. Anybody know what the condition of this car is, and how it got to Canada?

wilkidm@wku.edu

> I stand formerly confused and now clear.
> Yes, the Intercolonial (ICR) vs Illinois
> Central is my faux pas.

> So, I'll make up for it... how about the
> Louisville and Nashville 1913 combine in
> Edmonton?

> And the previous B&A and PRR stock
> mentioned.

> This morning's reading turned up a Lehigh
> Coal & Navigation Vulcan 0-4-ST in
> Ontario.

> Get this book, fellas. here is alot out
> there!

> Rob

Good topic! The Trackside Guide has got to be one of the finest, most comprehensive railfan guides anywhere. By the way, the same group that publishes this book prints a companion book on surviving Canadian railway stations — another fascinating subject.
Here’s food for thought — the Trackside Guide lists a former Western Pacific SW9, No. 602, at a fertilizer plant in Calgary, Alta. How about someone from, say, Portola arranging a swap for its Baldwin DS4-4-660 No. 51 — the first Baldwin diesel to operate in Canada, as B.C.’s Morrissey, Fernie and Michel 1?
Another idea — the Alberta Railway Museum has a former DT&I business car — Henry Ford’s very own car — that later served the Northern Alberta Railways and is now a work-train car. Maybe a swap could be arranged for this jewel (I’m sure the museum would be happy to take another old CN steamer off some group’s hands!).
Just some random thoughts ...
Kevin

> The ONR had a number of cars from the L&N. One Jim Crow coach, late of the train hauled by ex CPR 4-6-2 #1201, moved last year from the NMST collection in Ottawa to the South Simcoe Rly near Toronto (ex NMST ex ONR 1210 nee L&N 2011). The car was purchased by the ONR in 1952.
Section 10 in the TSG on work service equipment has a number of interesting cars with a US heritage. Some cars are in service and others await scrapping. On the ACR can be found an ex SP nee T&NO articulated coach and two 1910 ACF baggage cars. On the ONR are a number of ex L&N cars, several NP coaches that were originally Pullman 24 seat 1 drawing room buffet. This includes the Pullmans Bamford plus Pullmans Collingswood and Daylesford. Also in ONR work service is ex PRR BALA nee Pullman same name. The ONR has a lot of out of service equipment that still sits in the yards at Englehardt and North Bay. There is even a pullman Troop Sleeper. The QNS&L has an out of service ex C&O business car, the "Lynnwood" and some ex NYC/P&LE RPO/Express cars. These cars are probably more readily available than those listed as preserved in Canada. We have nearly 200 correspondents that help us to keep the guide up to date. If anwone is looking for car information feel free to contact me offline......Paul

paul.bown@sympatico.ca