I was down at the New Orleans Public Belt offices about 3 weeks ago, and had an opportunity to go through all the cars. The City of Lafayette ( now City of New Orleans ) and the City of Wabash ( now the Louisiana ) are stored next to the roundhouse under the shed built for both cars. The cars are kept on power, but are not used, due to the climate caused by the shake up with the previous General Manager. The City of Peru, which was about 65 percent completed prior to work being stopped is stored in one of the roundhouse stalls and like the previously mentioned cars could likely be purchased by the right buyer with the right offer... The Belt is well aware of what was spent on all three cars, so the realistic market value will not buy the cars...

Meanwhile the cars are secure, and although not held in the same light as they once were, they sit and await a fate that will likely keep them in New Orleans unless an offer far above market value is obtained and accepted by the ciry... Originally these two cars were Amtrak certified ( where the large money came in during the restoration ).. however the cars never ran on Amtrak.

The City of Peru is not per say in bad shape... It had a large portion of its side sheets replaced and structure repaired, it has a freshly rebuilt set of OSH trucks certified for Amtrak service, draft gear work completed, new glazing, repairs to the floor completed, and much of the interior was stripped and primed awaiting the final plan to finish the car ( which never happened ) .. The car has a brand new Stadco generator, new NRE AC unit, new 26 C air brake system, among other improvements.. Unfortunately for the car, the Belt shut the project down, during a down turn in business / shake up of management....

Meanwhile all three cars are protected on the Belt property, and kept under cover...


Dean Levin

I believe, in addition to the three ex-Wabash cars mentioned, that another one exists. I believe this car was once owned by the gentleman who owned the meter gauge railroad in New Haven, Indiana but has since moved on to a couple of other owners. I think it was last reported as being owned by the AC&W but may have been put up for sale. I went through this long list of cars, and don't think it is here. Did I miss it?

Les

While its an observation car it is a business car and not a parlor car, and it is still on the ACWR. Formerly at the Southeast RR Museum it is now ACWR 105 Indiana(ex-RPCX 6, exx-N&W 16, nee-WAB 6) and is awaiting its turn in getting rebuilt, which may not begin until ACWR gets its new shop finished. Here are a couple of shots of the car...

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2882719
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3098163



This car is apparently the former Ferrocarril del Pacifico 181, though I will have to dig to see what more I can find on the car. I do have some diagrams so it will help in trying to ID where the car came from, and hopefully what it became once it left the FdeP.

Templeton (Lot #3801, Plan #2412T, 1910/40, 14S, PRR)--Tourist #4286 sold to GN and converted to coach #671 (1947) to MofW kitchen-diner-bunk #O3190 to business in Dunsmuir, CA--does anybody know where in Dunsmuir the Templeton is located, and what the business is??--see here: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5286/5304 ... 2b82_o.jpg (Richard May photo) (click once to enlarge)

the car may be at this location:
Railroad Park Resort,
100 Railroad Park Road, Dunsmuir, CA 96025
I did a Google street view and wandered around hotel, I "think" i can see this car off in the distance behind the office with what appears to be another passenger car.

RDG Railfan--

I too was thinking that the Templeton might be located at the Railroad Park Resort. However, looking at the car via Street View (I didn't notice yesterday that it was available up that road), I don't think that it's the same car--something about the windows doesn't seem quite right. I haven't been able to locate any decent photos taken of the car at the resort, so I can't get a positive/negative match between the resort car and the Templeton. What this hotel does have, besides all the cabooses, is one of the surviving Willamette steam engines!

Thanks for taking the time to some looking around, RDG Railfan!!

Looking again at the photograph I linked to yesterday, I notice several different background/foreground features that may help pin down where in Dunsmuir the Templeton is located. First off, there is clearly a gas pump in the far right foreground, what looks to be a church steeple in the right background above the right vestibule of the Templeton, and a sign that says "carpet cleaners" in the left background to the immediate left of the Templeton's left vestibule.

Hmm...

Is there anybody on here who is more familiar with Dunsmuir who can shed some light on where the Templeton is???

Thanks, Mike, for the info on the Alexandria!

Thanks, Dean, for the info on the NOPB cars!

Thanks, Les and Jerry, for the info on WAB #6!

Thanks, Jerry, for the info on FDP #181!

254. Andrico (Lot #4239, Plan #2417A, 1914, 1DR-plr, PRR)--sold to NYC and converted to buffet coach #2800 (1942) to LIRR #7500 (1959) converted to commuter club #2004 Locust Valley (1959) to #2004 Syosset (2nd) (1973) to New Hope & Ivyland--see here: http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/heavyweight_syosset2004.html, and here: http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page7.html

255. Belfast (Lot #4762, Plan #3410A, 1924, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8736 (1948) to LIRR and converted to commuter club #2002 Oyster Bay (1957) to pvt. owner west of Manchester, MI--see here: http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/heavyweight_oyster_bay.html, and here: http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page7.html

256. Vicker (Lot #3880, Plan #3411, 1911/32, 10S-3DB, PRR/SOU, ex-William Lewis Sharkey, nee-Binstead)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to L&N converted to baggage-dormitory #1652 and leased to Atomic Energy Commission (1961) to MofW to FAM to CSX to West Florida RR Museum--see here: http://www.wfrm.org/tour3.html, and here: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2759522 (Mick Nussbaum photo)

257. Villa Cheer (Lot #4494, Plan #3411, 1917/31, 10S-3DB, ex-Old Forge)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to L&N converted to baggage-dormitory #1653 and leased to Atomic Energy Commission (1961) to MofW to FAM to CSX to West Florida RR Museum--see here: http://www.wfrm.org/tour5.html, and here: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2759524 (Mick Nussbaum photo)

Sources:

1. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

Back on page #7 of this I made an inquiry as to the current location/status of Minnekahda Club. While looking through Jerry LaBoda's website, I found the current status:

258. Minnekahda Club (Lot #6301, Plan #3995B, 1929/35, 2SB-2DB-2C-1DR-lng, CB&Q, spelling changed to Minikahda Club in 1935)--sold to NYNH&H #775 (1948) renumbered as business car #100 (1955) to Genesee & Wyoming #1 Edward I (1968) to C&NW and remodeled* as #404 (2nd) (1980) reassigned to mechanical department as #440 (1982) to Mid-Continent Philip R. Hastings and used on C&NW #1385 excursions (1983)

*C&NW changed the configuration to a kitchen, dining room, four bedrooms, and a lounge observation with open platform in place of a vestibule.

a. Mid-Continent page on C&NW #440: http://www.midcontinent.org/collectn/stlpas/cnw440.html

b. As C&NW #404 (2nd): http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2568/3828631353_747673e585_o.jpg (D.W. Davidson photo) (click once to enlarge)

c. As C&NW #440 under MCRM ownership in February 1987: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3500594 (Tom Golden photo)

d. As C&NW #440, last car on #1385 excursion at Rugby Junction, WI, in July 1992: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3644641 (Stephen Borleske photo)

e. Seventeen years later, C&NW #440 at Mid-Continent in July 2009: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1671006 (Matt Petersen photo)

Sources:

1. Pictures located Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

Another survivor:

259. Reba (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24 seats])--sold to NYC (1941) to NP and converted to coach #631 (1941) converted to RPO-baggage-coach #1102 (1947) to CTC instruction car #1931 (1965) stored by BN (1970) to MTM as #1102 (1976)--see here: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=np1102

Reba was one of twenty such cars built in Lot #4265, five of which were sold directly to NP in 1941. Two of the twenty, Reba and Delora are shown in the CCR database as being sold to NYC, also in 1941. Although the Reba is not listed in Terry Link's NYC passenger roster, he has the Delora as being sold to NP by NYC in 1941, so the same must be true of the Reba.

Sources:

1. Information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

2. Information form Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages at: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

Just trying to get the history correct for the (Calley?) CALAIS/Alexandria. Does the same Pullman Lot and Plan number apply? In other words, would the correct history, in the thread's format, look like this?

Calley (Lot #4943, Plan #3410A, 1926, 12S-1DR, SAL #71419). Originally coach, went to MOW service. SCL sold to Alexander RR for $2600 in 1970s. Converted to coach obs and renamed Alexandria. To NHV in 1990s.

FYI, last night I spoke to some of our older members who remember looking in this car when we got it. They stated that it appears a conversion to some kind of camp car or private car was in the early stages but never completed; we assume by the Alexander RR. There was carpet laid, and what looks like a kitchen going in on one side of the car.

Thanks,
Mike MacLean
New Hope Valley

EDIT: Plan 3410A appears to be a 12-1 Sleeper arrangement, and the window pattern on the car matches other cars with the same arrangement. This suggests the car was built as a sleeper originally. Not sure where the coach designation came from; still a mystery.

EDIT 2: The plot thickens, can anyone verify this? Thanks to Google, I found this from another message board: "This car was the CALAIS built to Pullman Plan 2410F (12 section, 1 drawing room sleeper) Lot 4385 June/July 1916. The car was renumbered to Pullman Tourist car 2314 in June 1939 and was sold to the Seaboard Air Line in December 1947. The SAL converted it to a Foreman-cook-diner car #70666. This car never ran in passenger service on the SAL after it was purchased by them."

"In rebuilding the car, the name "Calley" was found written on a fitting."

Link to thread:
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a ... _id=00BcBl

I remember walking through the car once back when it was on the Alexander RR Co., the kitchen being placed where the drawing room use to be and carpeting on the floor. Couches and chairs were in the former section area where folks could meet and talk... I thought that it would have been a great place for folks to get together, though I knew little about the Alexander Chapter, N.R.H.S. at that time.

As for the SAL MofW numbers it could have been numbered 70666 and later 71419 as the car went through its service for Seaboard, being renumbered after its use had changed. Hopefully this will help to complete the history on this car... with the hope that maybe sometime the car might see a little more care.

Thanks, Mike and Jerry, for the additional info on Calais!

So, that being the case, the Calais fits within the parameters of this thread:

260. Calais (Lot #4385, Plan #2410F, 1916/39, 12S-1DR)--Tourist #2314 sold to SAL and converted to MofW foreman-kitchen-diner #70666 (1947) to #71419 to SCL to Alexander Chapter NRHS #100 Alexandria to New Hope Valley RR

Sources:

1. Information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

Here's two additional mystery cars:

First car: according to Jerry LaBoda's website, this is a Plan #2585 10S-1DR-2C, which entered MP MofW service as #X3488 and is now in Wagoner, OK.

a. In August 2011, end view: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3483939 (Bob McGilvray photo)

b. In August 2011, side view: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3483938 (Bob McGilvray photo)

Second car: according to Jerry LaBoda's website, this is also a Plan #2585 10S-1DR-2C, which entered MP MofW service as #X3646 and is still used by UP, in Armour Yellow paint.

a. At Bald Knob, AR, in October 2008: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2065271 (Bryant Mills photo)

b. Fresh coat of paint at Bald Knob in June 2011: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2585698 (Allan Williams, Jr. photo)

Anyone on here have info on the history of these two Mopac cars??

Pullman plan 2410 and 3410 and their various sub-letters are 12 section, 1 drawing room cars. The sub-letters indicate some kind of change/difference in the interior arrangement that generally did not affect the sleeping capacity.

Generally, the 24xx plan numbers are from the pre-1920 period and the 34xx plan numbers from the 1920s. In many cases, like the 2410 and 3410 plans there is a coordination in section/room capacity with the final two digits.

Another Survivor:

261. Da Costa (Lot #6087, Plan #3416C, 1927, 1DR-plr [28 seats], PRR)--sold to PRR #7068 (1945) to Valley RR

Another Mystery Car:

According to Jerry LaBoda's website, this is an ex-PRR 12S-1DR that was used in MofW service, later went to PC, and is now owned by New Century Rail Transport as NCBX #6120--as of 2006, it was stored on Letterykenny Army Depot in Chambersburg, PA--see here: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=488930 (Rob Taylor photo)--anyone know the identity of this car??

Another Two "Where Are They Now?" Cars:

The PRR extant passenger car list on http://www.altoonaworks.info/ includes PRR #8729 Barberton (2nd) (Lot #4762, Plan #3410, 12S-1DR), which was later MofW bunk #493043 and according to the list was owned by Antis Salvage and stored in the west receiving yard in Altoona, sans trucks. Does anybody know if this car is still stored in Altoona, or has it been scrapped??

137. Also according to the same list, PRR #7125 Queen Mary (Lot #4862, Plan #3957I, 1925, 1DR-plr [26 seats], WAB)--sold to WAB (1945) to PRR #7125 (1949) to PC to restaurant in Wayne, NJ was scrapped in late 2013--can anyone confirm this??

Sources:

1. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

Another Mystery Car:

Painted as NYO&W Chenango, which according to Jerry LaBoda's website, is actually one of PRR's Square-series Plan #3523 7C-2DR sleepers, of which twelve were built. PRR acquired six of the twelve at the 12/31/1948 divestiture (as #8556-#8561), one of which (#8561 Times Square) has already been listed (line item #62) as extant in Dennison, OH. Of the other six, one (Franklin Square) was sold (written as "transferred" in the CCR database) to the NYC in 1958, but it does not show up in Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster--scrapped? One (Washington Square) was sold to Royal American Shows in 1958. The other four were sold to scrap dealers between 1960 and 1966.

Does anybody know the identity of the Chenango, and what group owned/owns this car?? Current whereabouts/status??

a. http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyow/nyow-cheo-akg.jpg (Karl Geffchen photo)

b. http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyow/nyow-cheo-bkg.jpg (Karl Geffchen photo)

Sources:

1. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Information from D. Garrett Spear's PRR passenger car roster pages at: http://prr.railfan.net/passenger/GSPEAR/

4. Information from Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages at: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm