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 Post subject: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:56 pm 

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Meanwhile, over in topic at the Railfanning forum, one in which I had to redact some personal insults, some useful information:

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The correct facts are that 4 cars were bought by the UPRR, 2 by the State of NC and 7 went to individual private buyers.


Without delving into the issues surrounding the GBX and risking this thread devolving into a quagmire, can someone provide a little more detailed disposition information? Obvioulsy, private owners will remain private, but I'm curious as to what cars UP and NCDOT purchased. We have at least one poster here on RYPN who keeps track of passenger cars, and the information would be useful for that purpose.

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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:31 pm 

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I believe the UP actually bought 5 cars.

NCDOT did buy 2 as noted.

BNSF bought one.

WM Scenic bought one.

The others did go to various private owners/companies. I don't believe any of the remaining winning bidders got more than one car each.

One anonymous bidder (who was not in attendance) purchased the diner. A few rumors about who it might have been, but nothing confirmed.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:33 pm 
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As reported by Mike Palmieri in the AOE thread, several of the cars had not been tunneled:

#800246 Monterey (3DB crew dorm-lounge, exxxxxx-B&O 5DB sleeper buffet lounge blunt end observation #7501 Wawasee, nee-C&O #2507 Wolverine Club)

#800297 Istanbul (4SR-2BD sleeper, nee-SP 4DB-4C-2DR #9119)

#800301 Zurich (nee-UP lunch counter café lounge #5004)

#800668 Grand Canyon (11DB sleeper, nee-UP #1506 Placid Scene)

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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:43 pm 

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"As reported by Mike Palmieri in the AOE thread, several of the cars had not been tunneled:"

#800246 Monterey (3DB crew dorm-lounge, ex-B&O 5DB sleeper buffet lounge blunt end observation #7501 Wawasee, ex-C&O #2507 Wolverine Club).

#800297 Istanbul (4SR-2BD sleeper, ex-SP 4DB-4C-2DR #9119).

#800668 Grand Canyon (11DB sleeper, ex-UP #1506 Placid Scene.


These cars weren't tunneled, but due to the ridiculous asbestos abatement undertaken while the cars were in Denver, in general these cars were missing most if not all bedroom and hallway ceiling panels; ceiling and hallway light fixtures; upper berths; and some lower berth sofas. The missing parts for each car were nowhere to be found at the auction. Someone evidently bought a few containers full of parts a few months previous, and that may be where the parts ended up. Istanbul and Grand Canyon were also missing all the HEP and most if not all of the electrical locker components.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:39 pm 

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Is there a list of which cars went to which new owners?


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:07 am 

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Anyone interested in the new ownership must write the auctioneer ( info@blackmonauctions.com) and request a list of the car buyers per the terms of our contract with Blackmon.

Thanks, Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:08 am 

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"Is there a list of which cars went to which new owners?"

I doubt there will be a list made public of all the winning bidders. When I get a chance I can put together a list of which cars went to UP, BNSF, NCDOT, and WMSRR. It's not so easy to determine which private owners got which of the remaining cars because when they point to the winning bidder and say you're the high bidder on car so-and-so, unless you know who that guy is, or unless you go up to him afterword and say "who are you and what car did you get?", it's not as easy as you might think to know who got what.

Maybe individual car buyers (if they read RYPN) will step forth and ID themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:11 pm 

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Topfuel wrote:
"Is there a list of which cars went to which new owners?"

I doubt there will be a list made public of all the winning bidders. When I get a chance I can put together a list of which cars went to UP, BNSF, NCDOT, and WMSRR. It's not so easy to determine which private owners got which of the remaining cars because when they point to the winning bidder and say you're the high bidder on car so-and-so, unless you know who that guy is, or unless you go up to him afterword and say "who are you and what car did you get?", it's not as easy as you might think to know who got what.

Maybe individual car buyers (if they read RYPN) will step forth and ID themselves.


Thank you.

That is what I was interested in.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:37 am 

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Here are the buyers, based on my notes. Not guaranteed to be accurate, but should be close.

I was in error on my previous post re the number of cars bought by the UP. Ross was correct, it looks like the UP bought the following 4 cars:

Rocky Mountain
Seattle
Vienna
Santa Fe


To NC DOT:

Charleston
Bar Harbor


To Western Maryland Scenic:

Monterey


To BNSF:

Monte Carlo


To absentee buyer:

Zurich


To persons affiliated with the Morristown and Erie RR:

Grand Canyon
Montreal
Paris


To persons affiliated with Genesee Valley Transportation:

Istanbul


I'll leave it to Ted to flesh out the histories and add these to his dispo list of former AOE cars.

I'll post any additions or corrections if they come available.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:14 pm 

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Thank you, Top Fuel.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:50 pm 

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Topfuel wrote:
Here are the buyers, based on my notes. Not guaranteed to be accurate, but should be close.

I was in error on my previous post re the number of cars bought by the UP. Ross was correct, it looks like the UP bought the following 4 cars:

Rocky Mountain - UP 14S sleeper Alpine View (AC&F, Lot #3816, Plan #9017, 1953) reconfigured in 1965 to 44 seat leg rest chair #5556 to Amtrak #4596. Sold in 1983 to AEE #6* (#800311), reconfigured to club lounge, and named St. Moritz, later AOE and renamed Rocky Mountain. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.

Seattle - UP 14S sleeper Alpine Meadow (AC&F, Lot #3816, Plan #9017, 1953) reconfigured in 1965 to 44 seat leg rest chair #5548 to Amtrak #4588. Sold in 1983 to AEE #9 (#800310), reconfigured to club lounge, and named Bay Point, later AOE and renamed Seattle. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.

Vienna - UP 11DB sleeper #1510 Placid Waters (P-S, Lot #6958, Plan #4198, 1956) to Amtrak #2269 retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to Trans Rocky Mountain Tours #800109. Sold (when??) to AEE #5 (#800109), reconfigured to 2SR-7DB, and renamed Vienna, later AOE. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.

Santa Fe - UP 5DB sleeper 24 seat club (buffet) lounge Cheyenne (P-S, Lot #6959, Plan #4199, 1956) reconfigured in 1965 to 11DB sleeper #1702 Star Crest (Plan #6008) to Amtrak #2251 converted in 1983 to HEP #2231. Retired and sold in 2001 to AOE, reconfigured to 8SR-1SB, and renamed Santa Fe (#800768). Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.


To NC DOT:

Charleston - UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5494 (StLCC, Lot #1807, 1960) to Amtrak #4557 converted in 1979 to HEP #4606 retired in 2001?? and sold in 2002 to AOE, reconfigured to 8SR-1SB sleeper, and named Charleston (#800754). Repainted for American Railway Explorer as Mesa Verde. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.

Bar Harbor - UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5539 (StLCC, Lot #1830, 1965) to Amtrak #4579 converted in 1979 to HEP #4624 retired in 2001?? and sold in 2002 to AOE, reconfigured to 8SR-1SB sleeper, and named Bar Harbor (#800753). Repainted for American Railway Explorer as Great Smoky Mountains. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.


To Western Maryland Scenic:

Monterey - C&O 5DB sleeper 26 seat buffet lounge observation (blunt end) #2507 Wolverine Club (P-S, Lot #6863, Plan #4165, 1950) sold in 1951 to B&O #7501 and renamed Wawasee to Amtrak #3250 retired and sold in 1977 to Gordon Ingram #3250 and renamed San Diego Club (LaJolla, CA). Sold (when??) to Genesee & Wyoming (GNWR) #3250 and renamed Pride of the Genesee (#800246). Sold (when??) to John Kirkwood-Rail Ventures (RVIX) #800246. Sold (when??) to AOE #800246, reconfigured to 3DB crew dormitory-diner lounge, and renamed Monterey. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.

To BNSF:

Monte Carlo - B&O 10RM-6DB sleeper #7045 Opequon (P-S, Lot #6864, Plan #4167, 1950) sold in 1971 to 8404 Corporation (PVTC) #5465 (Toledo, OH). Sold (when??) to AEE #11 (#800231), reconfigured to 2SR-8DB* crew dormitory, and renamed Monte Carlo, later AOE. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.


To absentee buyer:

Zurich - UP City of Los Angeles/City of Portland 24 seat café (diner) 29 seat lounge #5004 (AC&F, Lot #3031, 1949) reconfigured in 1959 to 8 seat lunch counter 24 seat café (diner) 16 seat lounge (for City of Portland/City of Denver) sold in 1971 to Alaska RR #5004. Sold in 1987 to Northern Rail Car. Sold (when??) to AEE #7 (#800301), reconfigured to diner, and named Zurich, later AOE. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.


To persons affiliated with the Morristown and Erie RR:

Grand Canyon - UP 11DB sleeper #1506 Placid Scene (P-S, Lot #6958, Plan #4198, 1956) to Amtrak #2265 converted in 1984 to HEP #2235 retired and sold in 1996 to AOE, used as crew dormitory, and renamed Grand Canyon (#800668). Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.

Montreal - UP 5DB sleeper 24 seat club (buffet) lounge North Platte (P-S, Lot #6959, Plan #4199, 1956) reconfigured in 1965 to 11DB sleeper #1705 Star Scene (Plan #6008) to Amtrak #2254 converted in 1984 to HEP #2234. Stored in 1996 and sold in 1997?? to AOE, reconfigured to 9DB, and renamed Montreal (#800757). Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.

Paris - SP 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #9120 (P-S, Lot #6871, Plan #4069M, 1950) to Amtrak #2382 retired in 1981 and sold in 1983 to AEE #4 (#800298), reconfigured to 4SR-4SB, and named Paris, later AOE. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.



To persons affiliated with Genesee Valley Transportation:

Istanbul - SP 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #9119 (P-S, Lot #6871, Plan #4069M, 1950) to Amtrak #2381 retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to Les Kasten. Sold (when??) to Golden Arrow Tours (GALT) #800020 (Janesville, WI). Sold (when??) to Wisconsin & Calumet. Sold (when??) to AEE #3 (#800297), reconfigured to 4SR-2DB, and named Istanbul, later AOE. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express.


I'll leave it to Ted to flesh out the histories and add these to his dispo list of former AOE cars.

I'll post any additions or corrections if they come available.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:33 pm 

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Some of the cars that were reconfigured after leaving Amtrak may have been tunneled in that process, and the new configurations may not be of the construction and materials that we were familiar with when they were in revenue railroad passenger service. SR may mean State Room, and not what was commonly called a Single Room.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:40 pm 
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Thanks, Topfuel, for the info!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:25 am 

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Fifteen ARE cars moved from Denver to Pottstown in January 2011.


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 Post subject: Re: GBX Liquidation Acution Results
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:53 pm 

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In an earlier post, Mr. Rowland hinted that they might keep enough cars for a short 4 car train.


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