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 Post subject: Re: Japanese steam loco restored to run on compressed air
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:57 pm 

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Mtn3781 wrote:
But in looking up that info I stumbled on this.

0-4-0 Fireless Steam Switch Engine NCR Dayton - This engine was built in 1913 by Lima for National Cash Register’s Dayton, Ohio plant and is a fireless steam engine requiring a steam “charge” from an external source (aka “fireless cooker.”). It was donated to the Museum in 1965. Status: In storage

I have no idea where this is hiding at.


Not "hiding."

Carillon Park, Dayton, Ohio--in a separate building from their "Transportation" roundhouse, used to display an exhibit on the 1913 Flood and NCR.

Photo by yours truly back on April 14th en route to IRM, Green Bay, and other places.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese steam loco restored to run on compressed air
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:25 pm 

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There were actually three of these little teakettles. One survives in Dayton Ohio(the Rubicon) one survives in St. Louis (the South Park) and the third I believe is at the Southeast Railway Museum (the Dayton). These were the first fireless cookers built in the US.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese steam loco restored to run on compressed air
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:37 am 

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1087-1 1087 11/1909 Std 18x18 36” - - - Stored Steam 38-ST 38T 0-4-0F
First Lima Fireless Steam Locomotive
National Cash Register “Rubicon” Dayton, Ohio
Dayton, Ohio Music & Arts Foundation
Display - Carillon Park- Dayton, Ohio

1139 1139 12/1910 Std 18x18 36” - - - Stored Steam 38-ST 38T 0-4-0F
Fireless Steam Locomotive
National Cash Register #1139 “South Park”, Dayton, Ohio
Rebuilt -- 1955
National Museum of Transportation, Kirkwood, Tenn
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1310 1310 6/1913 Std 18x18 36” - - - Stored Steam 38-ST 38T 0-4-0F
Fireless Steam Locomotive
National Cash Register “Dayton” Dayton, OH
NRHS-Atlanta Chapter –for-
Southeastern Railway Museum, Atlanta, Ga
Gwinnett City Ry Museum, Duluth, Ga
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese steam loco restored to run on compressed air
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:31 am 

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That's a nice little engine. So what would wear out on one of these? There's no boiler or flues or firebox. Just a big reservoir tank. Would it eventually rust and wear out? What would it take to restore one of these to running condition? What kind of cost might be involved?

From this link here, it appears they were running them at 400 psi and 400 deg hot water. And it looks like they could run it all day with one major charge and then minor recharges throughout the day.

http://www.whippanyrailwaymuseum.net/ex ... 0f-no-7240

Was so busy yesterday working on other projects, didn't have time to look for it. See if when I'm back over there again today I can spend a few minutes looking for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese steam loco restored to run on compressed air
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:48 am 

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What would wear out?

Bearings, wheel flanges/tires, valves, cylinder rings, throttle parts, safety valves.........

As far as the boiler (and that's what it is), metal will eventually fatigue from thousands of cycles of pressurization and release, hot and cold cycles, etc.--just not as fast as with a conventional steam locomotive. These boilers did have to be regularly inspected and certified by state inspectors, at least in the later days at the last places to operate them.


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