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 Post subject: Surviving GTW passenger cars *PIC*
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2002 11:07 am 

O.K. Rob, I'll follow your lead, and ask about GTW (or predecessor line) coaches that may have survived. Here is what I have:

Two Coaches (my guess would be 5300 series?) - Oden, Michigan (?)
GTW Diner /BMCX #899 The Silver Lake- Saginaw, Michigan (BMC/NRHS)
GTW Coach-Buffet #4885, now Concession car BMCX 4885- Saginaw, Michigan (BMC/NRHS)
GTW Wooden Combine #7365, nee #3244, nee 58 seat coach #1842- Port Huron, Michigan (PHM)
GTW Baggage #8526 - Leesport, Pennsylvania(RT&HS)
GTW Baggage #8812- Durand, Michigan
GTW Baggage #9084 - Cuyahoga Valley Scenic
GTW RPO #9684- Hocking Valley Scenic

I know there is more out there. Can anyone help?

TJ Gaffney



Port Huron Museum
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tjgaffney@phmuseum.org


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Surviving GTW passenger cars
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:00 pm 

IRM owns two GTW passenger cars:

steel coach #5316 (Pullman, 1912), ex-parlor car "Melanie"
steel RPO #9695 (Pressed Steel, 1914)

Frank Hicks

IRM Passenger Car Roster
fullparallel@wideopenwest.com


  
 
 Post subject: Odd GTW survivors
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:47 pm 

Brian West of Toronto published a behemoth listing of the passenger cars of CN and related roads about 10 years ago that lists most GTW cars as of that time. Here are some GTW cars not generally known, or which have moved:

An ex-Artrain composite baggage car in the museum at Galveston, Texas.

A commuter coach formerly an antique store at Rochester, Michigan, is now installed as a restaurant annex at Lansing, Michigan.

A 5300-series coach at the museum at Duluth, MN.

Two or three 5300-series coaches landlocked at a scrapyard just west of Jackson, Michigan, although I haven't seen these for 15 years and don't know that they still exist.

A commuter coach at a winery in Paw Paw, Michigan.

The 5300-series coach at Saranac, Michigan is scrapped.

The ex-T&SB lounge-observation, ex-GTW medical car, ex-CN lounge car was last seen on the Michigan Southern Railroad at White Pigeon, Michigan.

I believe the heavyweight solarium-lounge (Diamond Lake?) is still owned by a Mr. Van Winkle of Grand Rapids, Michigan, but may no longer be behind a factory on the southeast side of that city.

An RPO and a commuter coach from Michigan's thumb were auctioned off about 15 years ago to tourist lines in Ohio.

RPO 9683 formerly at Project 1225 in East Lansing was sold to the Midwest Railway Historical Foundation of Cleveland and scrapped for parts. You can see some of those parts lovingly restored and installed in a fiberglass replica of half of an RPO carbody in the Post Office museum next to Washington, DC Union Station.

Aarne Frobom
The Steam Railroading Institute
P. O. Box 665
Owosso, MI 48867-0665


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Odd GTW survivors
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2002 7:33 pm 

Don't forget about the 1954 built U.P. cars that SEMTA also had. They were built with 44 seats and later altered for more capacity. I'll dig up some more info when I get a chance.

Lake Central Rail Tours
ra1508vh@cs.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Odd GTW survivors
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:14 am 

There is a former GT (or possibly CN)heavyweight steel coach with ice refrigeration that was acquired by the tourist line White Sulphur Springs and Yellowstone Park in the mid 1970's. I believe the car is still in White Sulphur Springs, Montana, landlocked by the 1980 MILW abandonment.

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

> Don't forget about the 1954 built U.P. cars
> that SEMTA also had. They were built with 44
> seats and later altered for more capacity.
> I'll dig up some more info when I get a
> chance.


mikefrommontana@juno.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Odd GTW survivors *PIC*
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 11:46 am 

O.K., maybe this is a stupid question, but why have so many GTW Baggage and RPO cars survived versus the coaches? MofW?

TJG

> There is a former GT (or possibly
> CN)heavyweight steel coach with ice
> refrigeration that was acquired by the
> tourist line White Sulphur Springs and
> Yellowstone Park in the mid 1970's. I
> believe the car is still in White Sulphur
> Springs, Montana, landlocked by the 1980
> MILW abandonment.

> Michael Seitz
> Missoula MT


Port Huron Museum
Image
tjgaffney@phmuseum.org


  
 
 Post subject: Failed!!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:11 pm 

Well i am sad to report that after two consecutive weekends of travelling up I-75 to northern Michigan I failed to have the time to search out these survivng coaches. I did however find an ex soo line coach located outside of Bay Mills, Michigan. It was in fairly good shape. I hope to sometime soon return up north to get better photos of this car and finally find the heavyweights in Oden.

Michigan Transit Museum
sutterd@hotmail.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Failed!!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:56 pm 

> Well i am sad to report that after two
> consecutive weekends of travelling up I-75
> to northern Michigan I failed to have the
> time to search out these survivng coaches. I
> did however find an ex soo line coach
> located outside of Bay Mills, Michigan. It
> was in fairly good shape. I hope to sometime
> soon return up north to get better photos of
> this car and finally find the heavyweights
> in Oden.

Dave, my wife and I stayed in a B&B in Oden last month for a couple of nights and drove past those two coaches on our way to Harbor Springs for dinner. They are right alongside of the road on what used to be a siding but is all grown up. They appear to have been used, or intended to be used, for a residence or summer cabin; the outsides have not been appreciably altered, but I cannot tell about inside. I will have to look at my pictures (at home) to see if there are any numbers remaining on either of them.

Chris


holombo.chris@ssd.loral.com


  
 
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