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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:20 pm 

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Jeeps wrote:
Jeeps wrote:
Lincoln Penn wrote:

Why would the boom have been raised above traveling position to begin with?[/quote

Good question.
I’ll ask when I see the volunteers directly involved.

The Moffat Road Museum Granby Colorado is at
http://moffatroadrailroadmuseum.org

Per the UP Steam crew that volunteered their free time current UP rules on the Moffat tunnel district hight restrictions required lowering the boom. The wrecker has been moved out of Burnham yard north to the UP yard along Brighton Blvd Denver. Unofficially the wrecker should move to the museum in a few months.


Nice, but it doesn't answer the question. Was the boom in a raised position? If so, why?
How did they lower it, if they did, since it has no steam pressure?
note: This is not Moffat Tunnel district trackage; it is Denver terminal trackage. These moves don't get within miles of any tunnels.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:54 pm 

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If they are moving it to Granby it will need to go through all 40 or so tunnels including the Moffat Tunnel, and I'll bet UP doesn't want it to wait until they get to North Yard to lower it, it would do a lot of damage if someone released it early.


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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:06 pm 

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Lincoln Penn wrote:

Nice, but it doesn't answer the question. Was the boom in a raised position? If so, why?
How did they lower it, if they did, since it has no steam pressure?
note: This is not Moffat Tunnel district trackage; it is Denver terminal trackage. These moves don't get within miles of any tunnels.


Sorry but I’m just reporting what I know.
The boom as shown in other photos on the web was originally in the stowed position which is about the height of a double stack train. The crane was last moved via overland routes to its current position. As others have stated the crane will be moved from Denver to Granby via the UP Moffat route through about 26 or so tunnels including the Moffat tunnel with some tunnels unlined stone tunnels on tight curves with restricted horizontal and vertical clearances. I assume the crane had been converted to diesel in the past. Not sure how they lowered the boom but however it was done is far less invasive and cheaper than disassembling it into multiple parts and trucking it through the Eisenhower tunnel to Steamboat Springs and around to Grandby. UP Steam gave a 4014 presentation along with some photos of their volunteer effort on this subject along with another Burnham Yard D&RGW diesel that they moved and installed into the Forney Museum at today’s Rocky Mountain Train Show in Denver.


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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:29 am 

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The wrecker has not been converted to diesel. See:

https://images1.westword.com/imager/u/o ... ham-03.jpg

It is also on roller bearings. The best way to lower the boom is to charge the boiler with compressed air and run the engines. I have done this and it works like a charm.


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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:43 pm 

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The 1913 D&SL Steam Crane has arrived at the Moffatt Railroad Museum in Granby Colorado via the UP Moffat Division.
The 1913 Denver & Salt Lake steam crane is sitting on the house track in Granby.
The UP Steam crew moved the crane to the Forney Museum siding where it was stored and arranged to move it to Grandby Colorado last week.
Congratulations to the Moffat Railroad museum.
Details at the museum website below.
http://moffatroadrailroadmuseum.org


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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:38 am 

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John T wrote:
Bucyrus C/N 3556 150 tons Wrecker Steam (to diesel) 05-23
Denver & Rio Grande Western #W5 to #027 (retired 1997)
Museum of Railway Workers (Dan Quiant) Denver, CO
Colorado State Historic Register 03-10-99
http://www.historycolorado.org/archaeol ... county-d-e


Now reported as scrapped:

https://www.facebook.com/DRGWRR/posts/1340855146017659

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As of today, August 21st, there are only two of the pieces still left, the former RPO/Baggage and the former modernized Diner-Lounge car.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:15 pm 

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VinylRailfan wrote:
As of today, August 21st, there are only two of the pieces still left, the former RPO/Baggage and the former modernized Diner-Lounge car.


Any idea if the rest was relocated or cut up?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:39 pm 
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Any idea if the rest was relocated or cut up?


From passing observations over the last month, it seems the rest (aside from the few pieces saved and discussed) went by way of the scrap heap like Crane 027 seen a couple posts up. Any confirmation of this from more knowledgable parties?

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 Post subject: Re: Help try to save the equipment at D&RGW's Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:52 am 

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I really wish the subject line for this thread indicated that this covers the Rio Grande (D&RGW) Burnham Yard. Why is this important? Because the South Shore Line also has a Burnham Yard - it is east of the Hegewisch, Illinois station and still in use today by South Shore Freight. You can see the potential for confusion here for someone not aware of the 'other' Burnham Yard.


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 Post subject: Re: Help try to save the equipment at D&RGW's Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:39 pm 

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Robert J wrote:
I really wish the subject line for this thread indicated that this covers the Rio Grande (D&RGW) Burnham Yard. Why is this important? Because the South Shore Line also has a Burnham Yard - it is east of the Hegewisch, Illinois station and still in use today by South Shore Freight. You can see the potential for confusion here for someone not aware of the 'other' Burnham Yard.
Well, I bet that a bunch of us Westerners had never heard of the South Shore Burnham Yard until your post

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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:12 am 

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And now the follow-up:

https://www.rtands.com/railroad-news/22289/

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Colorado’s Regional Transportation District (RTD) is giving up something to add something. The Colorado Department of Transportation (CDOT) and Union Pacific have produced a preliminary agreement on the sale of Burnham Yard. High Performance Transportation Enterprise (HPTE), which is owned by CDOT, approved a non-binding term sheet on Feb. 19.

The yard was abandoned by Union Pacific four years ago, and the purchase of 59 acres of railyard south of Denver will allow Interstate 25 to expand. A rail line is located just east of I-25, but a sold Burnham Yard will open up space for those tracks to move further east, and additional tracks could be built. RTD has five lines that meet near 10th Street and Osage in Denver, creating delays during rush hour. The purchase of Burnham Yard would allow RTD to construct additional track to alleviate the rail congestion.

The state of Colorado now has around three months to execute environmental tests, which could cost as much as $7 million.

HPTE, CDOT and Union Pacific need to approve a final agreement. RTD says it is ready to spend $6.9 million for the Burnham Yard property when the environmental analysis is done.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 5:57 pm 

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Update #2:

https://www.cpr.org/2020/05/07/deal-to- ... -by-virus/

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A $50 million land deal that would allow for the expansion of a vital transportation corridor in central Denver may become a casualty of coronavirus-caused belt-tightening at the Colorado Department of Transportation.

In February, CDOT and Union Pacific reached a preliminary agreement for the state to buy a 59-acre abandoned rail yard just south of downtown Denver.

CDOT intended to use the land to re-route an existing rail line that’s directly next to I-25, which would free-up space for a future expansion of the interstate. The land could also be used to allow for downtown access for a potential future commuter rail line, and for the Regional Transportation District to add capacity to its busiest light-rail corridor.

But CDOT now is anticipating at least hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue, which means some projects will have to be cut, downsized or delayed. At an “emergency” CDOT commission meeting Thursday, commissioner Karen Stuart asked staff if the Burnham Yard project was “still on the table.”

"I think that's something you all will need to discuss,” CDOT Executive Director Shoshana Lew replied, after a long pause.


More at the link, of course.


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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 6:14 pm 

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NS has a small yard in Burnham PA, near Lewistown on the former PRR Middle Division. It serves Standard Steel which produces RR wheels and axles. It's on a branch from the Main Line that includes street running in Lewistown.

http://www.standardsteel.com/index.php

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 Post subject: Re: Please help try to save the equipment at Burnham Yard
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 11:16 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Update #2:

https://www.cpr.org/2020/05/07/deal-to- ... -by-virus/

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A $50 million land deal that would allow for the expansion of a vital transportation corridor in central Denver may become a casualty of coronavirus-caused belt-tightening at the Colorado Department of Transportation.

In February, CDOT and Union Pacific reached a preliminary agreement for the state to buy a 59-acre abandoned rail yard just south of downtown Denver.

CDOT intended to use the land to re-route an existing rail line that’s directly next to I-25, which would free-up space for a future expansion of the interstate. The land could also be used to allow for downtown access for a potential future commuter rail line, and for the Regional Transportation District to add capacity to its busiest light-rail corridor.

But CDOT now is anticipating at least hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue, which means some projects will have to be cut, downsized or delayed. At an “emergency” CDOT commission meeting Thursday, commissioner Karen Stuart asked staff if the Burnham Yard project was “still on the table.”

"I think that's something you all will need to discuss,” CDOT Executive Director Shoshana Lew replied, after a long pause.


More at the link, of course.


First I had heard about this plan (I worked at the Sears appliance outlet 200' or so from the south end of the shop building 26 years ago) , seems like a good idea, this would also help the plans for Amtrak service south through CS and Pueblo down to the Southwest Chief route at Trinidad that has always been a nonstarter with RG/UP and Santa Fe/BNSF because of congestion on the line to be replaced. Here is the whole study: https://www.codot.gov/programs/high-per ... l-briefing

Of course the price will likely increase by many multiples now.


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