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 Post subject: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PHs
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:41 pm 

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Amtrak has put up for disposal several pieces of surplus rolling stock. This includes their last F40PH's (save for Heritage Unit 406), some P40's, baggage cars, probably the last Santa Fe bilevel parlor cars, a few Horizon cars, and some flat cars.

Needless to say, serious inquiries only, please. Expect some of the cars in question to be damaged.

The official notice:
https://procurement.amtrak.com/irj/port ... 1cc142f8cc

The lengthy terms and conditions list DOES INCLUDE provision for donation requests by museums or historical societies; HOWEVER, read the fine print:

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1. Bidders must quote a firm price as indicated on the attachment/pricing sheet.
2. An award, if any, will be based on highest responsive, responsible, qualified bidder, for each, or any combination of units, as determined to be in the best interest of Amtrak.
3. Amtrak reserves the right to accept or reject any part of any and all bids received.
4. All awards are contingent on Amtrak obtaining FRA Release of Lien.
5. Failure to respond to an award letter may void the award.
6. Equipment awarded under this Sales Offer must be removed within ninety (90) days of notification of award.
7. Donation requests (Railroad Museums, Railroad Preservation and Historical Societies): All donation requests for equipment listed on this Sales Offer must be accompanied by a letter on museum letterhead, stating the reason for the donation request and the intended use of the equipment requested should the donation be granted. Please note that Donation requests are not exempt from any Conditions of Sale term (1-10).
8. Transportation, switching or other charges incident to the movement of the cars from their present locations will be the responsibility of the purchaser and/or donee (“Buyer”). The cars or locomotives must be removed from their present location by the Buyer, at their risk. Preparation work to meet acceptable AAR interchange rules for movement in freight service must be performed by the Buyer. Amtrak will not perform any required work on the equipment.
9. Arrangements with a freight railroad for the movement of the equipment are to be made by the Buyer and all cost and risk associated with the movement are at the Buyer’s expense. Amtrak could obtain an FRA waiver if successful Buyer wants the equipment moved to their location. The movement would be at successful Buyer’s expense. The equipment will not be moved in Amtrak service.
10. Note: If any equipment is dismantled on site, Railroad Protective Liability Insurance is required. If your activity is to be included under Amtrak’s Blanket Policy, the cost is $250.00 which is in addition to your bid price. All employees of successful bidder must have a valid RWP Contractor card. The training is available online at http://www.amtrakcontractor.com


Emphasis added by yours truly.


The list:

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LINE #1 - Heritage Baggage Cars – Weight 117,000 lbs. each

CAR # DESCRIPTION LOCATION

#1707 1953 Heritage Baggage Car Beech Grove, IN
#1717 1953 Heritage Baggage Car Beech Grove, IN
#1730 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Beech Grove, IN
#1733 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Beech Grove, IN
#1755 1950 Heritage Baggage Car Beech Grove, IN
#1731 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Wilmington, DE
#1756 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Wilmington, DE
#1762 1954 Heritage Baggage Car Wilmington, DE

LINE #2 - Santa Fe “Parlour Cars” Hi-Level Lounge - Weight 194,000 lbs. each

CAR # DESCRIPTION LOCATION

#39970 1954 Parlour Car, High –Level Lounge Beech Grove, IN
#39972 1954 Parlour Car, High –Level Lounge Beech Grove, IN
#39973 1954 Parlour Car, High –Level Lounge Beech Grove, IN
#39974 1954 Parlour Car, High –Level Lounge Beech Grove, IN
#39975 1954 Parlour Car, High –Level Lounge Beech Grove, IN

LINE #3 - P40 Diesel Locomotive’s - Weight 263,340 lbs. each

CAR # DESCRIPTION LOCATION

#800 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#801 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#802 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#803 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#804 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#805 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#806 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#811 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#813 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#825 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#826 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#828 1993 P-40 Diesel Locomotive Wilmington, DE


LINE #4 - Horizon Cars – Weight 110,500 lbs.

CAR # DESCRIPTION LOCATION

#58100 1989 Horizon Club Dinette Beech Grove, IN
#54506 1989 Horizon Coach Beech Grove, IN
#54520 1989 Horizon Coach Beech Grove, IN
#54528 1989 Horizon Coach Beech Grove, IN
#54538 1989 Horizon Coach Beech Grove, IN
#53502 1989 Horizon Full Dinette Beech Grove, IN
#54564 1989 Horizon Coach Wilmington, DE


LINE #5 - EMD F40 Diesel Locomotive’s – Weight 260,340 lbs. each

CAR # DESCRIPTION LOCATION
#401 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Bear, DE
#402 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Bear, DE
#404 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Bear, DE
#408 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Bear, DE
#409 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Bear, DE
#403 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#405 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN
#407 1987 F40 Diesel Locomotive Beech Grove, IN


LINE #6 - P42 Diesel Locomotive’s – Weight 268,000 lbs. each


CAR # DESCRIPTION LOCATION
#21 1996 GE P42 Diesel Beech Grove, IN
#49 1997 GE P42 Diesel Beech Grove, IN
#70 1996 GE P42 Diesel Beech Grove, IN

LINE #7 - Army Flats – Weight 130,000
Material Handling Cars – Weights 101,000 lbs. each


CAR # DESCRIPTION LOCATION
#15679 1953 Army Flat Car New Haven, CT
#15744 1953 Army Flat Car New Haven, CT
#1503 1990 Material Handling Car New Haven, CT
#1542 1990 Material Handling Car New Haven, CT
#1557 1990 Material Handling Car New Haven, CT

BID CLOSE DATE: November 14, 2018
Asset Recovery E-Mail: assetrecovery@amtrak.com


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:03 pm 
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In before someone who does not know better coments F40PHs are nosey and fule hogs.


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:18 pm 

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RCD wrote:
In before someone who does not know better coments F40PHs are nosey and fule hogs.


Assuming you mean "fuel hogs," there are ways to rectify that.

Don't like the nose? The Canadian Atlantic/MM&A/WMSR showed us what to do about that.

Don't like the noise? There are ways to quiet them as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:36 pm 

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I would bet all of the F40s find a home before any of the GEs. The P40s suffer from poor visibility and have had all kinds of traction motor problems. I'm not sure what is going on with the three P42s, which have the same visibility problems but have been more reliable, but I would guess you are right that they have been wrecked.


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:07 pm 

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A little info on the Heritage baggage cars:

#1707 1953 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-ATSF coach 2846
#1717 1953 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-ATSF coach 2838
#1730 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-UP coach 5508
#1733 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-UP coach 5526
#1755 1950 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-SP coach 2366
#1731 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-UP coach 5518
#1756 1961 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-UP coach ??
#1762 1954 Heritage Baggage Car Budd Ex-SP coach 2370

Info from this webpage
http://www.trainweb.org/amtrakpix/locos ... GGAGE.html

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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:46 pm 

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I would not be surprised if Via Rail snags the GE units or even possibly one or two F40PH units. They lost a couple in derailments not long ago. One of which was Via Rail #6400 sadly.

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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:06 am 

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Apparently Amtrak is keeping operable F40PH #406, which has been going with their display train. Those low-numbered #400's were the last NEW F40's purchased by Amtrak, around 1986. I remember when they went into service, I was a fairly new OBS employee when the first one showed up on the Capitol when it combined with the Broadway at Pittsburgh.

Up to now the P40's have been assigned to the Auto-Train, like the P30's at the end of their service lives, just because they can all be serviced in the same place. I know there are more of them than they are selling. My guess is that because they are part of the oldest batch they have become "problem children" mechanically. The Amtrak GE's are nicknamed "crispy critters" for a reason. They like to catch fire en route.


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:10 am 
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406 does not run it is a NPCU with HEP. Most of the F40s will probealy end up at the scrappers for there 645s and other parts they have in common with freight locomotives.


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:49 am 

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PaulWWoodring wrote:
Apparently Amtrak is keeping operable F40PH #406, which has been going with their display train. Those low-numbered #400's were the last NEW F40's purchased by Amtrak, around 1986. I remember when they went into service, I was a fairly new OBS employee when the first one showed up on the Capitol when it combined with the Broadway at Pittsburgh.

Up to now the P40's have been assigned to the Auto-Train, like the P30's at the end of their service lives, just because they can all be serviced in the same place. I know there are more of them than they are selling. My guess is that because they are part of the oldest batch they have become "problem children" mechanically.

Some of the P40s were being used on the Cascades dead as cab cars a few years back. I still think the F40s will get more interest, the story is that the bean counters like GEs when they are new, but the crews like EMDs and no one wants to pay for GE parts when the units get older.

PaulWWoodring wrote:
The Amtrak GE's are nicknamed "crispy critters" for a reason. They like to catch fire en route.


Here is a photo of #70, one of the P42s being sold, around six years ago, though it has been used since (Jeff Carlson photo at Beach Grove); according to a comment on this photo it caught fire near Rotterdam NY: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPictur ... id=2487623


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:21 am 

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Is it correct to assume that these are all P40's that weren't reactivated and rebuilt with stimulus funds a few years ago? If that's accurate, I can't see any of these ever running again.

Amtrak when they started digging into these after several years of storage, found lots of environmental damage as I recall such as in the electrical cabinet (Sitting in the Delaware climate hadn't done them any favors). Amtrak expensively did a full rehabilitation to 15 or so units that were in the best condition, while using those not selected as parts donors for the program.

And they've since been moved west and are at Beech Grove, so I assume they've been further picked over since then to support the active P40/P42 fleet, while the internal condition has continued to deteriorate. So they're not even going to be close to being mechanically complete, I bet, which I'm sure is why Amtrak is now disposing of them now that their usefulness is over as parts donors. So I doubt anyone like Via Rail wants them even as parts hulks.

They've been stored for 15 years or more now, storage has done lots of damage to them, and they've been picked over for parts. I suspect they only would be good for a static museum display at this point without a heavy rebuild in the millions. But perhaps #800 would be worth preserving as the first of the class.

She's also cosmetically in good shape the last time I saw her. Unless she's really gone south the past 5 or 6 years, Amtrak's running far shabbier looking Genesis units today. Her and F40PH #200 (NPCU #90200) when retired would make for a good side-by-side static display somewhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:29 am 

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Thanks for posting this -- for those of us interested in this, we need a better link because the one provided in the thread didn't work

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The official notice:
https://procurement.amtrak.com/irj/port ... 1cc142f8cc
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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:54 am 

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It may sound like heresy, but I wouldn't complain about seeing a P40 (or even P42) show up at a museum somewhere. They are significant in US passenger railroading history, like em or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:57 am 

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Heavenrich wrote:
The official notice:
https://procurement.amtrak.com/irj/port ... 1cc142f8cc
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That doesn't work, either, if it's not in your computer's cache.

Start here:
https://procurement.amtrak.com/irj/portal/anonymous

Look under "Non-Construction Business Opportunities" and NOT "Material Equipment Sales".


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 Post subject: Re: Amtrak Surplus Rolling Stock Available, Incl. Last F40PH
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:23 am 

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Ed Kapuscinski wrote:
It may sound like heresy, but I wouldn't complain about seeing a P40 (or even P42) show up at a museum somewhere. They are significant in US passenger railroading history, like em or not.


Like a certain GE collection near Erie? Not a non-sensible approach........


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:24 pm 

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Too bad Pennsylvania isn't taking the Lackawanna Cut-off project seriously.


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