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 Post subject: Re: NJ Museum of Transportation Woes and Possible Eviction
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:08 pm 

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I would like to point out that I did not create this topic, although welcomed it. The purpose was to just make people aware of a potential problem. No one cried fire, just that it may be good to be prepared.

One way or the other, there will be a down sizing of the collection. That is a fact. Someplace here I can dig up the DEP note on that issue if you do not believe me. A condition of the new license may be to provide a plan to address this requirement.

You can believe it, or not, I really don't care. That is not important. What is important is to be prepared for what ever happens.

By my read, the cards are stacked against NJMT at this point. Hopefully I am wrong, but it just seems the DEP has amassed a stack of documents supporting removal with NJMT handing them more and more reasons to be closed with every emailed excuse as to why what ever document was not provided as required. There is also the question of viability. The DEP can not sign a license with an organization that is not viable so financial data, membership, and planning data are critical. This review is done by some office within the State someplace.

There is also some sort of liability review that is required and which the state will do. This will set the liability insurance levels to be required in the new license. I would be worried about this.

License red line comments are due back to the DEP by 1 July. That will be key to this whole thing.

Again, not yelling fire, just suggesting that people be aware.
J.R.


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 Post subject: Re: NJ Museum of Transportation Woes and Possible Eviction
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:29 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: NJ Museum of Transportation Woes and Possible Eviction
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:05 pm 

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I think we need somebody with the authority to do so to yell fire to motivate the people involved to take action or be open to offers. July isn't far off. Please do keep us informed.

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 Post subject: Re: NJ Museum of Transportation Woes and Possible Eviction
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:30 am 

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Mr. Lyle. Your post is proof positive that "spin" is alive and well. This situation has been brewing for years and J.R. has always been on top of it since it is near and dear to his heart. If this were a court of law, your comments would be inadmissible as "hearsay". Yet you put so much faith in it. J.R. is in contact regularly with members of the NJMT and also does his homework by digging up the documents he shared.

And as far as Pemberton and it's connection to this mess goes, there are many commonalities but the biggest one is that when you lease property, you need to listen to your landlord. Ignore that entity and watch your collection get torched! I was there and saw what happens when you try to have a pissing contest with your landlord. I also saw the total lack of support from members of this site, may of whom are not involved in this hobby we have chosen. So while you are local to the location, your comments are not.

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 Post subject: Re: NJ Museum of Transportation Woes and Possible Eviction
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:53 pm 

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Let's sit back for a moment.

Assuming that both Mr. Lyle's report from his visit and Mr. May's reports from "behind the scenes" are accurate--and I have no reason whatsoever to believe either side is fabricating anything--then we most likely have yet another classic case of a non-profit's management either utterly oblivious to their peril or deeply in denial of such, with no sign of such peril or risk being communicated to the "rank and file."

This is nothing new whatsoever to the field, and certainly not just for rail museums. There are any number of businesses, from small restaurants or bars to massive entities like Enron, where no one in the rank and file knows how fragile the situation is until the proverbial "house of cards" comes crashing down. And it's not always obvious, via deteriorating track like the Penn Central or Rock Island, or vendors demanding cash on delivery. I watched one former employer of mine go through all the motions as if nothing were wrong in outward appearances to customers and employees, until the principals suddenly disappeared with all their assets to the Cayman Islands and left the company to declare bankruptcy. (I made out like a bandit during the liquidation sales.)

To be fair, it's not the job of every volunteer, every docent, every intern, etc. to have an in-depth grasp of the operations and management of their museum/operation. Many museums/etc. have frequent turnover simply through death, relocations, loss of interest, etc.

But when a member, former member, former volunteer, or "local expert" has kept their ear to the proverbial rail for decades, their opinions probably amount for something--at times better than actual management's.


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 Post subject: Re: NJ Museum of Transportation Woes and Possible Eviction
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:16 pm 

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Cameron Wolk wrote:
I inquired about the Pouch Terminal Mack back in 2015, the museum will sell her if they feel they are getting a good price out of her. #2 is a one of a kind artifact, NJMT is very aware of her historical significance and will not seek to scrap the locomotive. As for the other artifacts it's up in the air what will happen to them. I know there has been some interest expressed in the Raritan Copper #9, we'll see where we go with that.

Cameron


Raritan Copper #9 has really been the reason I have been keeping an eye on this whole situation; even though its been happening on the opposite end of the country from were I live. Raritan Copper represents the end of the supply chain of the International/Anaconda process for copper production, from mining to smelting and final refining. Raritan of course was the refinery site, but it was out here in Utah were much of the mining and smelting was actually happening. I can only imagine how many car loads of smelted copper departing International Smelting passed over the Tooele Valley Railway with waybills to route them to Raritan for final processing. That is why I am glad to hear that other parties have interest in the engine, since it would be a shame to see another piece of our mutual copper history to be lost.


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 Post subject: Re: NJ Museum of Transportation Woes and Possible Eviction
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:15 pm 

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Start at 6:27:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3djwy5

I think there was a film called "Clueless" a few years back, too.


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