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 Post subject: Re: Visit to WMSR Shop / #1309 - 13 August 2019
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:07 pm 

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$251K is a lot closer to reality in terms of component value than the first charge was. Supposedly Gary B. was actively recalculating the loss at REPLACEMENT rather than the value of the material at scrap (which was the initial legal charge) And Gary kept finding stuff missing as he reassembled, anything that was brass almost anywhere including parts deep in storage - like turret valve handles. Things were still being discovered.

The near-destruction of Knox & Kane's Chinese 2-8-2 (now Valley 3025) was due to an attempt to melt the crown brasses out with a torch, and it set the entire enginehouse on fire and brought it down on top of two steam locomotives.

The danger with 'trusted insiders' is that they know that such things exist. It's not unlike the copper thieves robbing diesels of wire.

The current generation of motion-detecting and phone-alerting cameras should be considered, it's a lot cheaper than insurance and can stop it instead of filing for a loss claim. The only possibly better thing I've seen lately are free-range Rotweillers at one museum site at night, behind the fence. They've had no issues..... if there's no body found the next morning you know it was an insider.


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 Post subject: Re: Visit to WMSR Shop / #1309 - 13 August 2019
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:33 pm 

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Not to be rude, but I have two comments to make regarding Randy's post just ahead of this one. First, I'm glad to see that replacement costs in the 1309 care are being calculated at the replacement value of the stolen items and not as scrap.

This is a big change from what happened to me in NJ. I had a C-420 that was robbed of all of it's copper traction motor cables. I eventually had to scrap this and another unit as being beyond economical repair.

The local 'pressed white shirt' law enforcement authorities would only let me claim the value of the stolen cables. The fact that to replace those cables would have meant that the unit would have been taken to a shop and de-trucked. The combos would have had to be taken from the trucks, disassembled, and the motors opened up to replace the cables that were sawn off flush with the motor cases. No butt splice repairs here.

Then the whole process of re-assembly would have had to take place. Much LABOR costs involved, which would have elevated this case into a major crime. But no; by law, as explained by the police, they could only take a report on what was actually stolen, but not the labor involved in the repairs. Never mind the fact that a good locomotive was ruined. Hopefully laws like this are a thing of the past; at least that is what it looks like form the above post.

Second, with respect to motion detecting cameras, that was tried some time ago at another project I'm involved with. They work too well; they produced a close-up video image every mosquito in that part of the county. We were never able to get the sensitivity adjusted to tune the bugs (literally) out.


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 Post subject: Re: Visit to WMSR Shop / #1309 - 13 August 2019
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:07 am 

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Motion detector cameras are cheap, I have 5 in the house, and five outside, I can check on things in and out of the house at any time when I'm gone, or when the motion detector gets triggered. A few years ago, I read a funny story about a pawn shop owner who was tired of being robbed. He always went to the Waynoka, OK rattlesnake roundup in the spring. He came home with two big fat ones. He put them each in an aquarium, in both windows of his shop, so people on the sidewalk could see them. He put up a sign saying they were turned loose in the shop at night, and collected back in the morning and put back in the aquariums, you know, to keep the mouse population down. When would be burglers came around and noticed the aquariums were empty, they no longer visited his shop after hours. Even though he actually swapped the aquariums for empty ones at night, and never did let the snakes loose, the city made him get rid of them., In the spring, people in my area are all over the woods looking for Morrel mushrooms, usually tresspassing. Last spring I noticed one popular hunting spot with a large sign that said "Warning Copperheads".


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 Post subject: Re: Visit to WMSR Shop / #1309 - 13 August 2019
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:42 pm 

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An update from Trains magazine on the status of 1309’s donation campaign (Not behind paywall)

https://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2 ... 0vTSmK3gME


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 Post subject: Re: Visit to WMSR Shop / #1309 - 13 August 2019
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:21 pm 

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Just a thought, we bought a Furbo so that we could watch the dogs while we aren’t at home, and not only does it give us notifications of movements being detected, it also gives us notifications of people being detected also. At the end of the day all of this movement can be accessed in up to 1080p. Not only that there is also two way communication designed so you can listen to your dogs, but speak to them as well. Imagine an intruders surprise when you tell them that not only are they being watched, but all their activities have been recorded and uploaded to the cloud! Pretty cheap insurance and quite the deterrent factor.


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