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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:08 pm 

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GENTLEMEN/GENTLELADIES:

KNOCK IT OFF.

We're here to talk about this crisis's impact on our hobby, industry and vocation.

NOT the validity or lack thereof of the measures being taken, the validity of the presumed risk to the public, or crackpot theories.

We're not arguing about the game, or the choice of game, or the deck of cards in question.

THIS is the hand we've been dealt. And the game has been imposed on us.

How do we play accordingly?


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:41 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
GENTLEMEN/GENTLELADIES:

KNOCK IT OFF.

We're here to talk about this crisis's impact on our hobby, industry and vocation.

NOT the validity or lack thereof of the measures being taken, the validity of the presumed risk to the public, or crackpot theories.

We're not arguing about the game, or the choice of game, or the deck of cards in question.

THIS is the hand we've been dealt. And the game has been imposed on us.

How do we play accordingly?


I think it is absolutely necessary to point out when one person is speaking of a hoax. This has the potential to hurt many, many people, and needs to be squashed out as rapidly as possible. The nature of our work frequently requires extremely close contact with coworkers and/or passengers. We have a civic duty to ensure that reasonable measures be taken to prevent the transmission of this disease be minimized, and I'm seeing the measures being taken by most everyone in this thread.

But imagine that Loco112, whose identity is a secret, sits on the board of directors of a museum hosting a major event on their property soon. Barring any legal orders to cease social gatherings, the decision would be left up to the board. If one person with the same mentality of Loco112 is able to convince the rest of the board that this is a "hoax", then they run the risk of being responsible for making this pandemic slightly worse. The quackery can't be allowed to continue

Thankfully, I can see that this individual is in Dallas, and everything in this area is on lock down, so no damage can be done in this instance.


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:33 pm 

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I agree with you, but the hoax proposition should have been deleted immediately in the first place, and I'm flagging the posts in question for removal. (Seriously, we're supposed to believe a YouTube video with only 17 views?!?!)

MEANWHILE, back to relevant stories:

https://www.wdio.com/neighborhood/lake- ... s/5678731/

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With the closures of museums and city buildings, organizations are turning to new ways to help the community pass the time and learn while staying home and self-isolating during the COVID-19 outbreak.

The St. Louis County Depot in Duluth is one organization who is providing a new opportunity for residents while they are closed.

According to a press release, the Lake Superior Railroad Museum, working with other organizations in the Depot, is offering daily video tours available online and on several Social Media Platforms. The short vignettes are produced and distributed through the North Shore Scenic Railroad’s YouTube channel and available on Facebook pages for the Railroad and the Lake Superior Railroad Museum.

The segments will be two to four minutes in length and will feature behind-the-scenes tours of spaces and artifacts you couldn’t see or get into even if the Museum was open.

There will be a different tour, every day. If viewers are interested in a specific artifact, have a question or want to explore a topic of interest you can make a suggestion and that idea might be a future episode.

The mission of the Lake Superior Railroad Museum is to; preserve, interpret and present to the public the history of railroading, especially as it relates to our area.

REGULAR POSTINGS ON:
Visit the Railroad’s YouTube Channel at; www.youtube.com/c/northshorescenicrailroadduluth
Visit the Railroad Museum on Facebook at; facebook.com/northshorescenicrailroad
Visit the Museum on Facebook at; facebook.com/lakesuperiorrailroadmusuem

For more information go to www.lsrm.org


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:02 pm 

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All UK closures here: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/03/co ... -2020.html


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:13 pm 

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Engine 557 Restoration Company has suspended tours and visitation to the 557 Engine House in Wasilla, Alaska until further notice.


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:22 pm 

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"THIS is the hand we've been dealt. And the game has been imposed on us.

How do we play accordingly?"


You weren't reading carefully what I wrote.

Museums and organizations can shut down their public presence, and go back to being repositories and 'content generation' groups, for the duration. Better suspend your volunteer efforts, too.

Or you can take careful steps toward PPE for both dispensing and receiving virus in the breath, conduct effective and systematic surface sanitation, and perhaps most significantly segregate visitors 'at risk' at proper distancing, and in proper ways, from 'the general' more infected population. Offer them PPE if they didn't arrive with it, inform all visitors of procedures to cut down airborne transmission, limit congregation 'outside the gate' or multiple people inside equipment spaces during tours.

And get ready to do this systematically, because the worst thing about this is how particularly effective at infection and induction this virus is. The whole course 'otherwise' is precisely in the hands of those that can design systematic responses that people will trust and then follow. All else, ultimately and probably in less rather than more time, is only marking time and pretending individuals can stave off all the different means of spread.

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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:33 pm 

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The Governor of Illinois announced this afternoon that he is imposing a stay at home order, effective 5 pm CDT Saturday into the first week of April. Guess that settles what any railroad-oriented sites in that state will be doing.

I would not be surprised if Ohio decides to do something similar by early next week. Gov. DeWine has been very much on the cutting edge of restrictive decisions, being one of the first to order bars, restaurants, barber and beauty salons, and tattoo parlors closed. Wherever you live, have a mental list of things you absolutely have to get done or purchase if such a deadline to stay home comes to your state. You might only have hours to take action.

Tomorrow will be two weeks since the open house for the PRR T-1 Trust in New Philadelphia, and having not heard of anyone who was there coming down with COVID-19 I guess we dodged a bullet. Stay safe to all.


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:57 pm 

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Overmod wrote:
Or you can take careful steps toward PPE for both dispensing and receiving virus in the breath, conduct effective and systematic surface sanitation, and perhaps most significantly segregate visitors 'at risk' at proper distancing, and in proper ways, from 'the general' more infected population. Offer them PPE if they didn't arrive with it,

That's not a realistic option given that there is not enough PPE for the hospitals.


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:03 pm 

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An excellent 5 minute video from Science Insider:
What Coronavirus Symptoms Look Like, Day By Day


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:26 pm 

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ORHS is now closed to the public. There will be limited volunteer projects but with restrictions in place.

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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:07 am 

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Overmod wrote:
You weren't reading carefully what I wrote.


Oh, yes, I was.

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Museums and organizations can shut down their public presence, and go back to being repositories and 'content generation' groups, for the duration. Better suspend your volunteer efforts, too.

Or you can take careful steps toward PPE for both dispensing and receiving virus in the breath, conduct effective and systematic surface sanitation, and perhaps most significantly segregate visitors 'at risk' at proper distancing, and in proper ways, from 'the general' more infected population. Offer them PPE if they didn't arrive with it, inform all visitors of procedures to cut down airborne transmission, limit congregation 'outside the gate' or multiple people inside equipment spaces during tours.

And get ready to do this systematically, because the worst thing about this is how particularly effective at infection and induction this virus is. The whole course 'otherwise' is precisely in the hands of those that can design systematic responses that people will trust and then follow. All else, ultimately and probably in less rather than more time, is only marking time and pretending individuals can stave off all the different means of spread.


With all due respect, this sounds like it was written by someone who's been stuck at the South Pole.

We are at a stage where hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will be losing work due to imposed restrictions. In EVERY state/region that I pay attention to in my newsfeed, from Arizona to Scotland, downright Draconian restrictions are being imposed by government leaders. NO restaurants, NO pubs, NO museums, NO libraries (except all by takeout service only), NO groups larger than ten. Many, many businesses are poised to close forever.

Groups trying to decide whether or not to proceed with monthly meetings, conventions, festivals, train shows, or the like are having the decisions made FOR them by the venues telling them that it's been cancelled on their behalf.

We're not even going to have any PPE for volunteers, let alone the public, unless we start sewing our own facemasks. The visitors aren't going to be coming even if we DO get work parties set up. Grocery stores are being stripped bare of just about anything "affordable" on a daily basis.

When the Grand Canyon Railway and Hotel--arguably THE most "secure" market for a tourist railroad in the world--is forced to shut down for two months, you have to concede that this is a sea change of epic proportions. We all normally rest somewhat secure that, whatever the crisis--Pearl Harbor, a stock market crash, 9-11-2001--change will occur gradually and we will go more or less back to the way things were before. For the first time in quite a long time, people aren't thinking that way anymore.

One example of how people's perspectives have been rattled:
The local feed stores and chicken raisers are reporting that, rather than their weekly shipments of baby chicks stretching out over a couple weeks, people are flooding their stores looking for chicks and coops and feeders and chick feed to buy, spurred on by the (very temporary) shortages of eggs and poultry meat in supermarkets. One store reported getting cleaned out of 400 chicks in ONE HOUR (that would normally last them a week or so) and several pallets of feed in a couple hours. And not hardy mass-process chicks like leghorns or Rhode Island Reds, either, but many more "exotic" breeds like Ameraucanas, Welsummers, Bantams, English game hens, Sussex, and even endangered Crevecoeurs. This is like buying up poodles, Great Danes, Daschunds, greyhounds, and beagles to pull a dogsled or be police dogs--or, in our lexicon, hundreds of places buying steam locomotives because they all want to set up a "Thomas" attraction. The store owners and chicken breeders and serious hobbyists are starting to panic, because they know darn well that these are people that don't know what they're getting themselves into, long-term (crowing roosters, caring for sick birds, coops in freezing weather, etc.) and are just seeking a "quick fix." This will not end well for the poor chicks, sorry to say.

Again, THIS is the hand we're being dealt--people now in "survivalist" mindset for real, not for TV.


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:59 am 

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Status in Denmark:

All activities with group gatherings closed: restaurants, gyms, schools, most large offices closed and working from home, services with close contact closed - hair salons, massage, tattoo

Still open: restaurants for take out, small shops - bookstores, hardware stores, grocery, bicycle shops, some shops have posted rules limiting number of customers in building at same time, grocery has marked lines on floor and asked customers in checkout line to stand apart, construction sites are still working, we had a plumber do some work at our house yesterday, some shops have stopped accepting cash (contactless credit cards are common), some shops are on reduced hours

Transport: reduced service schedules. Seat reservations are now free, and trains are running with extra coaches to allow customers to sit apart. Buses are now enter through the rear, and you are not to approach the driver.

Our railway museum: trains are canceled through May. Members over 60 are now prohibiited from the workshop. Cooking in the kitchen is prohibited, and only 6 persons at a time in the eating room - bring your own food and do not share. Wear gloves at all times in workshop (we have a supply of light auto repair gloves). We have also had a few deep cleaning days where all surfaces were sanitized.

Netflix has disabled high density streaming in Europe because of the pressure on the internet.

On positive side, I am sure many of you have seen the news that Wuhan, China, has recorded multiple days without any new infections. Many of their temporary hospitals are closed, and medical staff are returning to their home cities. My colleagues in Bejing are returning to work.

There is hope that with social distancing and strict sanitation, we can be returning to regular activities in 2 months.

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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:11 am 

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In response to the current Coronavirus epidemic, Australia's Puffing Billy Railway announced today it will be shut down for three months effective March 23.


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:36 am 

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Something I sort of expected to see coming, the online fundraiser. In this case, one of the first I found was for the Talyllyn Raliway in Wales. They already have nearly 4,000 pounds raised from this: https://www.justgiving.com/campaign/talyllyn-appeal2020

I did donate a few weeks ago a few dollars towards the Friends of the EBT via their online store when I realized how this was going to affect the historic railroad scene. This is about to become a real case of putting your money where your mouth is I think. If you want to help a railroad survive, make sure to help spread the word and get the donations rolling.


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 Post subject: Re: Coronavirus: Talk About It Here, Please
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:51 am 

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Right now, I’m about 0% interested in donating to a railroad. I have to plan to stretch out my money for quite some time.


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