CP FM H16-44 STILL in a deadline!

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:39 pm

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 806&nseq=0

Supposedly set aside for preservation by CP. but.........

Les Beckman · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:25 pm **Posts:** 6487

Excuse my ignorance, but is this the model that was known as a "Baby Trainmaster"?

Les

Richard Glueck · **Posted:** Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:56 pm

Still owned by CPR or are they merely holding it for a museum? If CPR would sell her, she'd be a neat catch for quite a few operating museums.

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:30 pm

The last I have in my notes, this specific loco WAS set aside by what was then called the "CP Bygones Division" whereas certain rolling stock was reserved for future preservation. This loco was originally stored in Lethbridge, Alberta. I'm sure that if an appropriate Canadian preservation group stepped forward with a well-presented preservation plan, something could be arranged for this loco.

This particular loco is indeed a "Baby Train Master," a term applied to a specific styling post-mid-1954. (Not all H16-44's are Baby TM's.) It should be noted that the "sister" CP 8905 mentioned in the RailPictures photo comments is a H24-66 Train Master.

My fear, seeing this loco in a deadline, is that, no matter how officially "preserved" the loco may be, some scrapper could start on the wrong end of the siding, or someone could just send the whole line to the scrapyard by accident. Such stuff has happened--even to stuff I supposedly had "set aside" at a power plant for a museum.

Ed Kapuscinski · **Posted:** Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:38 pm

What's that behind it?

Dave Stephenson · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:55 am

The H16-44 is not a Baby Trainmaster. This label was applied to the H16-66, a 6-motor version of the 1600 hp locomotive. The Baby Trainmaster term is getting more and more widespread misuse as time goes along and the H16-66 is forgotten.

Dave Stephenson

robertjohndavis · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:10 am **Posts:** 2499

Dave is right. It's become a generic railfan term to call all the little guys "Baby."

Of course, we also need to remember it is, by FM terms, a "Train Master." So, a little 66 is a Baby Train Master. A 44 is just a neat ol' gal.

Rob

Richard Glueck · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:32 am

On Long Island, the LIRR's H16-44's were known amongst railfans as "toastmasters"!

Jdelhaye · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:42 am

robertjohndavis wrote:

Dave is right. It's become a generic railfan term to call all the little guys "Baby."

Of course, we also need to remember it is, by FM terms, a "Train Master." So, a little 66 is a Baby Train Master. A 44 is just a neat ol' gal.

Rob

In "FM terms", only ONE model, the H24-66, was ever referred to, by FM, as a "Trainmaster".

The terms "Baby Trainmaster", and "Junior Trainmaster", are strictly railfan inventions, and have been used, with little or no consistency, to describe both the H16-44, and H16-66 models, built with the late "Trainmaster-style" carbody (as opposed to the earlier "Loewy style" carbody).

Jeff