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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:26 am 

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Certainly there's an era of design and architecture involving streamlining and functional smoke-lifters. I think only C&O Hudson 490 at the B&O Museum fully represents that genre today. There remain a few preserved steamers which once wore the additional "armor" (CB&Q Hudsons), but are bared today.
Having the 3713 and 844 occasionally "dressed up" does a service to the historic representation of the modern steam era.

Why not?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:06 am 

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Unfortunately, in todays sue happy world, adding something which may block the engineer's sightline may be considered a contributory cause of an accident and we all know how that could turn out. I for one do not want to find out.

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:09 am 

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Mike Tillger wrote:
Unfortunately, in todays sue happy world, adding something which may block the engineer's sightline may be considered a contributory cause of an accident and we all know how that could turn out. I for one do not want to find out.

Mike Tillger


While I understand the point, if we're that ruled by fear of litigation, why bother running steam at all?


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:35 am 

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> Unfortunately, in todays sue happy world, adding something
> which may block the engineer's sightline may be considered
> a contributory cause of an accident and we all know how that
> could turn out. I for one do not want to find out.

This is why the Lord invented cheap, cmall CCD cameras and cheap display panels -- back-up cameras, if you need a systems example. A movable telephoto version on the pilot deck somewhere for 'cab-forward'-grade vision when needed; a couple of others monitoring blind spots like the offside cylinder-cock spray volume to save avoidable surprises. Total investment -- not quite bupkis, but at restoration scale, minimal. As an 'enabler' for attractive smoke deflectors, priceless.

I don't really think that the blockage of sightlines by this style of deflector is particularly great, although of course plaintiff's bar might try to make it so, which is indeed the operational issue. Just as good a case might be made that permitting smoke to drift down over the engineer's sightlines is a far greater contributory cause of accident... this was certainly a major rationale for putting deflectors on locomotives in the first place... so I think even a very clever attorney would have trouble asserting 'negligence' for very long.

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:37 pm 

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Hi,

Significant progress has been made on #3713's trailing truck. Repairs are done on the truck frame. Next step is reassembly. Why is this important to the project? Check out the detailed work report and photos: http://www.project3713.com/news2014.html

Don't forget, if you are on Facebook follow the project with over 600 other interested folks at https://www.facebook.com/Project3713

Donations can be made directly via PayPal at http://www.project3713.com/

All the best,

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:25 am 

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robertjohndavis wrote:
Hi,

Significant progress has been made on #3713's trailing truck. Repairs are done on the truck frame. Next step is reassembly. Why is this important to the project? Check out the detailed work report and photos: http://www.project3713.com/news2014.html

Don't forget, if you are on Facebook follow the project with over 600 other interested folks at https://www.facebook.com/Project3713

Donations can be made directly via PayPal at http://www.project3713.com/

All the best,

Rob Davis


First off, great news as always.

Secondly, why not remove the boiler from the frame? Will this not enable shop forces to work on the boiler without needing the trailing truck back underneath, especially since the frame most likely still needs work?

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:48 pm 

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The trailing truck frame arrived back in the loco shop today. Redline trucking in Dickson City did the sandblasting, priming and painting.

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:56 am 

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robertjohndavis wrote:
Hi,

Significant progress has been made on #3713's trailing truck. Repairs are done on the truck frame. Next step is reassembly. Why is this important to the project? Check out the detailed work report and photos: http://www.project3713.com/news2014.html

Don't forget, if you are on Facebook follow the project with over 600 other interested folks at https://www.facebook.com/Project3713

Donations can be made directly via PayPal at http://www.project3713.com/

All the best,

Rob Davis


The trailing truck work is far from done. It will not be reassembled until after it has been repaired correctly. It will not be placed under the locomotive (ST has special shop trucks for that type of work)

Consultation with the owner / operator, specifically the ST shop crew, is recommended before posting this type of information.

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:47 pm 

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Bruce_Mowbray wrote:
robertjohndavis wrote:
Hi,

Significant progress has been made on #3713's trailing truck. Repairs are done on the truck frame. Next step is reassembly. Why is this important to the project? Check out the detailed work report and photos: http://www.project3713.com/news2014.html

Don't forget, if you are on Facebook follow the project with over 600 other interested folks at https://www.facebook.com/Project3713

Donations can be made directly via PayPal at http://www.project3713.com/

All the best,

Rob Davis


The trailing truck work is far from done. It will not be reassembled until after it has been repaired correctly. It will not be placed under the locomotive (ST has special shop trucks for that type of work)

Consultation with the owner / operator, specifically the ST shop crew, is recommended before posting this type of information.


Why was it painted if repairs are not complete? Not saying you are wrong, I just know next to nothing about locomotive restoration and am curious.

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:34 pm 

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Mark, That's exactly what I was thinking. But all I can really think of it was painted and whatnot already to prevent rusting or corrosion? I'm probably wrong, but just a though.

Either way, i'm, glad to see work continuing on 3713!


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:04 pm 

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Regarding the trailing truck contretemps --

If I understand what was being said correctly, the issue with the trailing truck is not so much that it's "finished" as that it can be reassembled enough to hold up the end of the frame, through the equalizing system, with the #3 driver pair removed.

That would allow the locomotive to be rolled as needed 'on its own wheels' without having to jack or block up the firebox overhang. Presumably as soon as the work on the firebox and throat was done, and the #3 driver assembly replaced, the truck could be taken out again, disassembled as necessary, and finished.

I apologize if that is not what was meant.

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:34 pm 

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Overmod wrote:
Regarding the trailing truck contretemps --

If I understand what was being said correctly, the issue with the trailing truck is not so much that it's "finished" as that it can be reassembled enough to hold up the end of the frame, through the equalizing system, with the #3 driver pair removed.

That would allow the locomotive to be rolled as needed 'on its own wheels' without having to jack or block up the firebox overhang. Presumably as soon as the work on the firebox and throat was done, and the #3 driver assembly replaced, the truck could be taken out again, disassembled as necessary, and finished.

I apologize if that is not what was meant.



Yes, that is exactly what was meant.

If that course of action changes, the website will note that. The information posted on the site reflects what has been discussed Steamtown personnel. Remember, there is a formal agreement between Steamtown and the L&WV chapter, and work continues in accordance with that.

Will there be differences? Heck yes. It means people are engaged and that's a good thing. Will some of that spill over onto the Internet? Probably, that's the world we live in. Nothing to stress about.

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 11:25 pm 

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While we prepare the next update on #3713's return to steam, I wanted to mention that railroader, historian and Project #3713 webmaster Dave Crosby has his latest book coming out in July. Like his previous titles, the book focuses on the history of railroad operations around Scranton, PA.

The Lackawanna Railroad in Northeastern Pennsylvania is somewhat of a travel guide showing what one might have seen riding the Lackawanna years ago.

http://www.arcadiapublishing.com/9781467121682/Lackawanna-Railroad-in-Northeastern-Pennsylvania-The

Why post this under #3713 news? Because Dave has generously offered to donate all of his royalties from the book the B&M #3713 restoration fund.

Thank you, Dave, and thanks to all who have contributed time and money to her return to steam.

All the best,

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 1:48 am 

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I just got around to looking at this, and can only say, "Miracles do happen!"

Especially if you can just keep plugging away, with the help of plenty of friends.

Congratulations, am looking forward to seeing this beauty run again.


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:01 pm 

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Will you be in Scranton for Railfest or La Festa Italiana di Lackawanna County this weekend? Come on by the Steamtown National Historic Site locomotive shop Saturday and Sunday to see #3713. Members of Project #3713 will be on hand.

Also, Dave Crosby's Lackawanna book is out and it is wonderful. He will be autographing copies at the park on Sunday.

If anyone wants to meet up for porketta under the Johnny Mitchell statue on Saturday, let me know!

Rob


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