Retyped from rosters provided for the 1978 (2nd year of 2101) and 1981 (second and last year 614) operations:

1978:
PC-100: C&O power generator car, rebuilt 1947 from C&O express 209 1937 St. Louis Car, owned by C&O
101 dorm: ex-NY-RRE 4DBR/Lounge Eugene Field, exx-Nord Photo Engineering 4DBR/sales office/photo processing lab Silver Messenger, exxx-Frisco 14-roommette/4DBR 1456 Eugene Field, 1948 P-S, owned NY-RRE
1 Dorm: ex-WVa RR Maintenance Authority 89545, exx-US Army ambulance 89545, 1952 St. Louis Car, owned by W. Va.
2 Storage/tape: reblt 1978 from 1977 CSS snack/souvenir 9, ex-D&H snack/souvenir 56 "Town of Stillwater", rblt 1973 from D&H RPO 56, exx-D&RGW RPO-bag 1200, 1950 P-S, orig C&O order redirected to D&RGW. Owned by B&O.
3: 78-seat open window, ex-1977 CSS 6, ex-James Hicks 1000, exx-CNJ 1000, 1926 ACF, owned by Hicks
4: 78-seat open window, ex-CSS 3, exx-D&H 11, exxx-George Hart, exxxx-Reading 1504, 1927 Bethlehem Shipbuilders, owned by B&O
5: ditto, ex-Hicks 992, CNJ 992 1926 ACF, owned by Hicks.
6: 54-seat OW coach, ex-CSS 4, exx-D&H/Hart/Reading 1549, 1927 Beth Ship, B&O.
7: 78-seat OW coach, ex-NJDOT/CNJ 1146, 1925 Standard Steel, owned by B&O.
8: ditto, ex-NJDOT/CNJ 1141, 1925 Standard Steel, B&O.
9: 58-seat OW coach, Roanoke Chapter NRHS 1204 "George N. Keich," ex-SR 1204, no builder listed, RC-NRHS.
10: 78-seat OW coach, NJDOT/CNJ 997, 1926 ACF, B&O.
11: Snack/souvenir "E.M.Frimbo," rebuilt 1978 from Railroad Passenger Cars, Inc. (RRP) 38-seat coach/food-bar 3004, ex-B&O same config, reblt 1967 from B&O 42-seat coach 3580, built 1948 B&O Mt. Clare [MAY have been rebuilt from earlier B&O heavyweight--ed.]; owned by Steam Special Souvenirs Ltd.
12: 56-seat AC coach/First Aid/PA Room: RC-NRHS coach/lounge 1210 "John M. Hancock," N&W 1827, exx-Wabash 1420, exxx-B&M 4803 Black Bird, 1947 P-S, RC-NRHS
13: 56-seat AC Coach/Chessie PR Room: ex-CSS 16, RRP coach/lounge 6600, Steelmet coach-lounge 1829, exx-N&W 1829, exxx-Wabash 1422, B&M 4805 Oriole, 1947 P-S, owned by RRP.
14: 56-seat AC coach/8-seat lounge: RRP 6601, Steelmet/N&W 1830, exx-Wabash 1423, exxx-B&M 4806 Chicadee 1947P-S RRP
15: 54-seat AC coach: CSS 10, ex-Old Dominion NRHS 703, exx-Greenbrier 703, exxx-RF&P 703, rebuilt ca. 1960 from 500-series higher-capacity coach, OD-NRHS
16:54-seat AC coach, CSS 11, OD-NRHS/Greenbrier/RF&P 704, same history, OD-NRHS
17: CSS 12, Ditto all else for ex-RF&P 706.
18: OD-NRHS 705, Ditto all for ex-RF&P 705.
19: Open car , ex-Hart Glen Onoko, rblt 1965-1975 ex-Reading storage-mail 1755, rebuilt 1960 from 400-series combine, Hart.
20: 27-seat parlor, ex-CSS 17, rebuilt 1977 High Iron Co. coach 2936, Indiana Railway Museum 2936, PC/NYC same #, 1947 Budd, High Iron Co.
21: Obs-lounge, CSS 18, AFT Splendid Spirit, HICO Brothers Two, Penn Central/NYC business car 7, 1929 Pullman, Ross E. Rowland.

1981:
PC-100 see above
101 Dorm: Steam Loco Corp. of America Roanoke, rblt 1980 from RRP 56-seat coach 3509, reblt B&O 52-seat coach 3574, built 1947 Mt. Clare for B&O Cincinnatian as 3574 Avondale from 1924 B&O Pullman heavyweight coach, SLCA
102: Dorm, see 101 above
1 Tool Car: SLCA Cooneaut, ex-Lee Smith owned shop/dorm 369 Conneaut, exx-Sam Freeman same, exxx-HICO 5 Conneaut, rebuilt from N&W baggage-RPO 1241, exx-Wabash 450, rblt 1963 from 26-seat coach-bag 609, 1925 ACF, SLCA.
2: see 2 above.
3: 32-seat OW/first aid/PA: ex-Clinchfield (CRR) 106, exx-Georgia 75, exxx-LV coach, Clinchfield.
4: 56-seat OW coach, ex-CRR 107, exx-L&N 2590, CRR.
5: 48-seat OW: CRR 110, L&N 2576, 1927 ACF, CRR
6: 56-seat OW, CRR 102, ex-L&N 2589, exx-L&N 1100, exxx-NC&StL coach-dinette 1100, modernized 1947 from NC&StL 731, former Pullman parlor Louisville, built by Pullman, CRR.
7: 64-seat OW: CRR 104, SCL 822, SAL 822, 1926 ACF, CRR
8: 56-seat OW: CRR 111, ex-L&N 2591, CRR
9: 48-seat OW, Kentucky Ry. Museum 109, ex- CRR 109, exx-L&N 2572, 1927 ACF, KRM.
10: E.M. Frimbo: see above, 1980 CSE 9.
11: 72-seat AC: Passenger Car Corp. of America [splinter of SLCA/Rowland] 7250, Conrail 1700, PRR 3684, 1926 Pullman, PCCA
12 60-seat AC: PCCA 6001, ex-RRP 3503, B&O 3587, 1930 Pullman, PCCA [currently at B&O RR Museum, went back to RRP after these runs]
13: 72-seat AC: 1980 CSE 10, PCCA 7235, CR/PC/PRR 1676, rebuilt by PRR with a/c 1950 from PRR 1875, built 1909 ACF, PCCA.
14: 72-seat AC: PCCA 7281, CR/PC/PRR 1704, rblt 1950 w/ a/c from PRR 3309, 1926 Standard Steel Car, PCCA.
15: 72-seat AC: PCCA 7283, CR/PC/PRR 1711, rebuilt 1950 PRR 3324, 1926 SSC, PCCA.
--are your eyes glazing over yet?--
16: ditto PCCA 7252/CR-PC-PRR 1678, 1950 rbld of PRR 3461, 1928 SCC, PCCA.
17: 68-seat AC: B&O 3528, rblt 1947 at Mt. Clare from coach 5213, 1923 Pullman, B&O.
18: Open air car, ex-PCCA 7200, conv. 1980 from ex-RRP 83-coach 8303, ex-Tumin coach, exx-MTA/LIRR 2184, rblt from EL 68-seat 1314, former DL&W 314 for Phoebe Snow, 1949 ACF, PCCA.
19: Safety Center & Kitchen for First Class: 1980 CSE 17 ex- B&O safety car CSC-5, exx-WVRMA 89533, exxx-US Army same #, 1952 St. Louis Car, B&O.
20 Full Length Dome (Dining Area): Railway Exposition (W.F. Sprague & T.B. McOwen) dome-lounge 382, ex-Amtrak 9382, exx-MILW 58, Pullman-Standard 1952, Railway Exposition Co.
21: see 20 in 1978 roster
22: ex-1980 CSE 18, RRP obs-buffet-lounge 3302 "Edward G. Hooper," ex-Baltimore Chapter NRHS same, exx-B&O same, former B&O 80-seat coach 5234, 1923 Pullman, RRP.


So where are they now? The last car, B&O 3302, and B&O 3587, were donated to the B&O Museum at the dissolution of RRP in the mid-1990s.

Thank you! I was wondering if there was such a list....

#2) Storage/tape: reblt 1978 from 1977 CSS snack/souvenir 9, ex-D&H snack/souvenir 56 "Town of Stillwater", rblt 1973 from D&H RPO 56, exx-D&RGW RPO-bag 1200, 1950 P-S, orig C&O order redirected to D&RGW. Owned by B&O.


Anyone know whatever happened to Car #2 from both trains? (see above). I have not seen nor heard of this car since it's CSS days.

Come to think of it, the best part of this whole exercise is going to be explaining the concept of a "tape-recording car" to the wet worthless young whippersnapp--I mean, the "young guns" of today.................

As my memory serves, the car was configured on the train with the baggage section forward and the RPO section backwards, with a locked door to the baggage section making the RPO section the furthest forward ticketed passengers could go. In the RPO section were numerous 110V electrical outlets, a couple shelves, a few open windows, and an open baggage door on each side equipped with chest-high diamond-grid screens. Passengers could tape microphones outside the windows to the side of the car, or, if enterprising enough with enough wire, put a stereo mic on each side of the car. Between the two tenders, the dorm car, and the baggage compartment, the recording section seemed to right at the point where maximum cinder rain occurred......

I'll let someone else explain the concept of "audio tape" to the young 'uns.........

The Conneaut was sold by Ross to Jerry Jacobson in the late '90's / early 2000's, becoming OHCR 5012, but retaining it's name. I suppose it is now Age of Steam - AOSX 5012.

This car might hold the record for different locomotives traveled behind in the excursion era. Off the top of my head:

Reading 2101
Reading 2100
C&O 614
NKP 759
GTW 6325
LS&I 33
CP 1293

I'm sure there's a couple more. If her walls could talk, I'm sure they'd tell some stories.

Potential challenger: any of several SR/NS cars, specifically the tape-recorder combine CofG 726, "Man o'War": SR 4501, 630, 722, S&A 750, T&P 610, CP 2839, C&O 2716, L&N 152, NKP 587 and 765 (NRHS convention or pinch-hitting), N&W 611 and 1218, CP 1238 (pinch-hitting), and possibly A&WP 290 and SP 4449.......... and now WMSR 734..... (I've confirmed several of the oddball ones through photos.)

A little spot-checking, will update as I find cars and time:

1978 #13: To Roanoke NRHS as N&W 1829, destroyed in 1994 Kinney Yard crash

1978 #21: Later American Coal Enterprises "Independence," now in St. Charles, Mo. and privately owned:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM64 ... Charles_MO

1981 #20 MILW 58: Later stored at Indiana & Ohio in the Cincinnati area, tragically reported as scrapped in early 2010:
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/r ... ?4,2140386
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/r ... 11,2061938
"AOE acquired the car and used it as a parts source for its super dome. When AOE went under, they donated the car to the Chehalis Centralia Railroad & Museum in '06 or '07 I cant remember. While sitting at Western Junction, the car was heavily vandalized, the museum doesn't have the means or the way to move the car or do a restoration, and word of mouth from AOE is the car was in bad structural shape."

1981 14 and 16, PRR P70's: Tuckahoe, NJ as URHS/CMSL collection, 2008:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... ?id=753952

[quote="Alexander D. Mitchell IV"]A little spot-checking, will update as I find cars and time:

1978 #13: To Roanoke NRHS as N&W 1829, destroyed in 1994 Kinney Yard crash

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Does anyone have any pictures of the 1829 after the crash? What was the extent of the damage it suffered?

Thanks!

Martin

I took a good look at this car and I can't say I agree with that comment, but then agaion I didn't get underneath or look some key aspects. I watched this car being demolished as I live nearby and it darned near broke my heart, but nobody wanted to buy and remove it. It's the same old story.

Some video clips from YouTube, showing the whole consist (I'll let the other posters work at identifying the cars):

2101 in Maryland in May of 1977, with a relatively short consist of 16 cars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJorlcjxvvw

614 in 1981, with a 22-car consist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aORktGnr ... re=related

614 in 1981, 25 cars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAQwPc4J ... re=related

614 in Arlington, 1981:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlTHJKPi4ZU&NR=1

Darn! There just aren't that many decent full consist shots with 2101. Hope the great sound makes up for the lack of the rest of the train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wk58jlw ... er&list=UL

Enjoy.

Martin, I don't have any pictures of it but I am sure there are some somwhere. It was a total loss. Draft gears damaged, vestibule smashed, and the frame was visibly twisted, with buckling in the body and roof. We salvaged it for parts and scrapped the body on site at 9th St.

"If her walls could talk, I'm sure they'd tell some stories."

You couldn't imagine the half of it!!!

Howard P.

So how is that Brothers Two, a Pullman-built car, is designated as being built by AC&F in the listing for it's current display location (which is apparently AC&F's successor company)?

Howard P.

Greetings:
From the 1978 season:
Third car listed, Jim Hicks 1000, now Valley Railroad 1000 (we show it as having been built in 1924 by Bethlehem), purchased from Hicks C.1988 after it did time at Cape Cod & Hyannis
Fifth car listed, Jim Hicks 992, now Valley Railroad 1002 (we show it as having been built in 1924 by Bethlehem), purchased from Hicks C.1988 after it did time at Cape Cod & Hyannis
J.David

I was under the possibly mistaken impression that the army hospital car that had been used as the crew dorm on the CSS went on to become the Chessie System safety car, and later business/obs car West Virginia? I know it started life as an army hospital car, perhaps not that specific one?

Also, wasn't one of the crew cars for the CSE a slumber coach that Mr. Rowland later sold back to Amtrak, so that Amtrak then had every slumbercoach built (23), for awhile?