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Author: | PMC [ Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
This post could possibly have been inspired by a post I made below: viewtopic.php?p=342481#p342481 But even if not, I don't deny that the museum in question could be termed a "McRailroad Museum". There is one thing to note about it though: the only remaining "Big 4" (Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway) caboose has been saved, and otherwise it wouldn't be. |
Author: | Overmod [ Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Would that all these little McSeums still have Lackawanna cars... or PRR MP54s. In fact, aren't ex-Reading MU cars hard to find nowadays? I see Mexico just got six converted SPV2000s. Hope they can figure out how to run them better than they did with the Amfleet cars ... |
Author: | Gham55* [ Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Otto Vondrak wrote: • An EMD F-unit or Alco S-1, less traction motors or engine, from a railroad that did not run through the museum's territory • Lackawanna M.U. cars • A fireless steam engine from a nearby factory • A Plymouth four-wheel switcher, with stripped gears • Chicago L cars • A Pennsylvania GG1 • A Toronto PCC streetcar • A heavyweight Pullman, with insufficient interior hardware and linen to assemble even one section • A camp car made from an old Pullman or troop sleeper • A Fairmont car on a 10-foot length of track • Many, many cabooses, with more due next week. Attachment: homer-simpson-its-funny.jpg That first one is a pet peeve of mine. A clapped-out locomotive that originally worked on the other side of the country and ended its life at a regional grain elevator. Basically a scrapping candidate, but a donation ensues, and the museum paints it up in a local road's colors circa 1956. Historic, my ass! May run with a lot of work... for a while. Rinse and repeat until every board member has a different personal favorite that is their sacred bird. I am constantly amazed at how few museum operations are consistently willing to cooperate with other ones in order to get memorabilia and records to their appropriate locations. When serious railfans pass away, their kids will go to the local museum and hand off dad's cache of DRG&W stuff that he collected because it seemed exotic to him compared to the local scene. Don't even get me stared on the model railroad donations. |
Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
PMC wrote: This post could possibly have been inspired by a post I made below: viewtopic.php?p=342481#p342481 Not when it preceded your post by about 25 years. To be somewhat fair about this in 2023, the number of such "museums" has shrunk somewhat. In today's world, the Lackawanna MU cars (or CN or SP commuter cars) are all at work somewhere hauling passengers, in restaurant dining areas, or scrapped; the fireless steamer got scrapped because of asbestos panic; the Chicago L cars were parted out for PCC parts and/or went to Windber; one or both of the two Pullmans got sold off to the Colebrookdale/Everett/Durbin & Greenbrier/etc., the Plymouth or GE 45-tonner is now operable and pulls a caboose train on selected weekends; etc. The ones more guilty of the "McRailroad Museum" syndrome in 2023, in my experience, tend to be the local station museums administered by a local general history society (not a RR history bunch) that used to be led by a couple railfans that have "met their reward" a decade or two ago, and the heirs to the Pawdoodle County Historical Society haven't the necessary railroad expertise to do anything more than dust off the display cases with Bob's old lantern collection and Jim's model trains. Have any of you offered to contribute your expertise and/or assistance to such a group? Maybe buy the paint for the Eagle Scout who takes on painting the caboose, and offer guidance to a proper paint scheme? This is not to say that some significant rail museums are still not guilty of at least some aspects of this list; the Arizona Railway Museum in Chandler has a fairly nicely curated Arizona collection combined with stored private varnish............. and a Toronto PCC, and they only have it because, to cite them: Quote: The Phoenix streetcar system did not have PCC cars, but the city purchased this one in 1996 for a transit display at 1st Avenue and Van Buren streets. Then, to make room for new construction, they sold this car to the museum in 2010.
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Author: | QJdriver [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: Have any of you offered to contribute your expertise and/or assistance to such a group? Maybe buy the paint for the Eagle Scout who takes on painting the caboose, and offer guidance to a proper paint scheme? The temperature in Hell has dropped below 32 degrees, and it is steadily getting colder here --- Once again, I have to agree with ADMIV. Instead of throwing rocks at the efforts of "normal folks" who end up in the McMuseum biz, it wouldn't kill us to help out, or at least try to help out. IMHO. |
Author: | PMC [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: Not when it preceded your post by about 25 years. It proceeded my post by four hours, not twenty-five years, and the Trains Magazine article we are all familiar with was from thirty-five years ago. |
Author: | Dave [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
And is still valid today. |
Author: | Bobulltech [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Maybe people shouldn't fill their tracks with more and more clapped out projects. I'm thinking of the land of way too many railroad mcmuseums too close together.... In the Mid-Atlantic within a two hour drive of Baltimore are what, probably about 12 operations, some differentiate, one of them is a scrap yard on rails and given it's track structure it's probably soon on mud... Another is stuck in the speeder years for almost 40 years... |
Author: | Randy Gustafson [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
I think generically, I've seen a general attention to focus by most organizations that call themselves 'railroad museums'. Some have closed, others have let stuff finally go to scrap, there's been some really good horse-trading going on that has rationalized unrelated collections into meaningful, and appreciated, artifacts. But the community museums that still have 'railroad' stuff? OMG. Without naming names I can absolutely agree with that, more than a few that are really collections of COMPLETELY unrelated and unorganized 'stuff'; individually valuable artifacts but no cohesive purpose. Grandma's attic. We have a local artifact musem that has minimal railroad 'stuff' but does have a 37mm antitank gun beside a Mercedes. A more distant one has a nicely restored locomotive stuffed in a room only slightly longer than it is, with absolutely no way to step back, and is mixed in with every imaginable local item that will fit in the same room, that was originally built around the parked locomotive! One of my biggest regional sinners has really found new focus and legitimacy, and wow, did they ever fit the description above in the past. The other side that hasn't been mentioned is when an organization finally just throws up it's hands and suddenly finds themselves with a loss of mission just in order to be financially survivable, you know who you are, you're now a semi-successful rock concert venue with trains still in the yard. Surviving, but.... And there really are successes out there, if you haven't realized that the Timber Heritage Society has made an EPIC transformation of the Samoa (Eureka), CA shop and locomotive facility of Hammond/Pacific Lumber, then the Heritage Rail Alliance certainly has, by giving them the 2023 national award. First time I saw it in 2000, there were trees growing...on the INSIDE of the buildings. I also live not far away from a small town that is NATIONALLY known as the home of historic rail equipment I've found in other museums all over the US, and the community is absolutely clueless of their own rail heritage that everyone else openly worships. I still get a collective and inexplicable shrug. I think they'd rather be known for the moonshine distillery and home of political resistance. |
Author: | Larry Lovejoy [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Quote: Maybe people shouldn't fill their tracks with more and more clapped out projects There is absolutely no doubt many, if not most of us have over-collected, particularly from the perspective of the ordinary visitor, who cannot tell the difference between one locomotive (or car) and another, even if you attempt to explain it to them. During the summer, our museum frequently operates a Rio de Janiero open trolley, which is very popular with the public. We get phone calls asking whether it will be running today. But they don't ask about the "open car". Or the "Rio car". They ask whether the yellow car will be running. They differentiate our collections solely by color! Which reminds me of the following ditty, which can be sung to the tune of “Little Boxes” There’s a green one and red one and yellow one and a rusty one And they’re all there on the siding and they all look just the same Every six months get another one ‘cause it’s not quite like the other ones And they’re rusting on the siding and they all look just the same. /s/ Larry Lawrence G. Lovejoy, P.E. |
Author: | nedsn3 [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Good one Larry. Ned BTW Happy New Year. |
Author: | Dave [ Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
At least they aren't made out of ticky tacky....... Randy, you should have seen it when the animatronic pirates were there. Rock and rail go together. There's one short straight section of track on the Loop that always made the train rock and roll. Not sure Ralph knew how to deal with anything not steep or curvy. Larry, I was told in San Francisco that people chose their favorite PCC duplicates based entirely on the livery in which they were painted, but by principal color rather than name of line that used the livery. To some extent, we need to meet them where they live in terms of appeal and understanding. We can find ways to do so without losing our mission and identity in the process if we're careful. |
Author: | cjvrr [ Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
Wow that got me laughing. Those little small town depot museums get stuck with every kind of donation. If the museum and contents are owned by the municipality it takes a herculean effort to get rid of stuff that doesn't fit the museum's focus (if there is one). They can't simply throw it out or horse trade it. And many times, in my experience, the docent running these museums is hoarder. |
Author: | PaulWWoodring [ Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "The McRailroad Museum" by Aarne H. Frobom |
There sometimes is a fine line between collector and hoarder, and people often start out as one and slide into the other over time and deteriorating brain cells. |
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