Hi,
I was just catching up on some of the news briefs I had missed and I came across the 9/08/03 brief about a two foot shay running in Pennsylvania. I would really like to see this, is it open to the public or is it a private group? Is this the new home of the engine or is it just visitng. Any help would be great
thanks
Matt

mstolzenfels@hotmail.com

Add me to the list of the curious...
How many of these 2-footers did Lima build, and are there any others left?


SJHussar@aol.com

All of the Ali-Shan Shays in Taiwan are 2 footers. I don't have the figure in front of me, but there are still at least a dozen (although I think more) preserved over there.
Check out "Shaylocomotives.com" great site. Look under Survivors for details.

See ya - Mike

> Add me to the list of the curious...
> How many of these 2-footers did Lima build,
> and are there any others left?


http://www.shaylocomotives.com
Yenko117@yahoo.com

It not a Lima Shay, it was homemade back in the late 60's or 70's. I have seen pictures of it in Iron Man Album. I beleive it uses a Soule sawmill carriage feed works engine and enclosed gear boxes.

Marc Lamaroux owns the only know Lima Two footer in North America, a MID class contractors Shay, a special design of Will Woodard, the genious behind super power not generally associated with steam critteres.

The allishan Shays are 30" guage. There may, just may be a 24"shay in Mexico.

While there are one or two homemade Shays in PA, this one is the Lamaroux Shay that once ran at the High Country RR outside Golden, CO.. It's been sold to a private owner in PA.

> It not a Lima Shay, it was homemade back in
> the late 60's or 70's. I have seen pictures
> of it in Iron Man Album. I beleive it uses a
> Soule sawmill carriage feed works engine and
> enclosed gear boxes.

> Marc Lamaroux owns the only know Lima Two
> footer in North America, a MID class
> contractors Shay, a special design of Will
> Woodard, the genious behind super power not
> generally associated with steam critteres.

> The allishan Shays are 30" guage. There
> may, just may be a 24"shay in Mexico.


ryarger@rypn.org

> It not a Lima Shay, it was homemade back in
> the late 60's or 70's. I have seen pictures
> of it in Iron Man Album. I beleive it uses a
> Soule sawmill carriage feed works engine and
> enclosed gearboxes

The 2-foot gauge PA Shay in the Rypn Brief is a genuine Lima Shay. It's the same one Marc Lamoreaux restored and operated for a while at the long gone High Country RR in CO. It has been for sale for a while and aparently found a new home in PA.

The PA homemade Shay that Mr. Templin is most likely referring to is the one now owned and operated by the Rough & Tumble Museum in Kinzers, PA. It features an assortment of parts from various sources including a 2-cylinder steam engine that did in fact come off a sawmill as the "feed engine". I believe at the time it was first built (during the early 70's) it was featured in an articile in the IRON MEN ALBUM (now STEAM TRACTION magazine). BTW, this homemade Shay did originally sport enclosed gearboxes (modified auto differental parts) and it was originally an odd 27" gauge. It rode on handcar / section car wheels and indeed was somewhat a strange beast as built. After its builder donated it to R&T, the museum rebuilt it several times and today it functions and looks a lot more like the "real" Shays. It now 30" gauge.

BTW, the private group out in St Marys, PA with the 2-foot gauge industrial railroad equipment also has a homemade Shay (this one is 2-foot gauge), but I don't believe that one is in service yet. They have a Henschel (German) 0-4-0 tank engine and several gas "critters".

Regards,
Jim Robinson

This shay I beleive was found in a quarry in South Carolina?

About 30 years ago a man and his children came to the Kansas City Railroad Museum (now closed) in the River Quay District. After we gave him the tour, he left his business card and said to come visit his machine shop near Lawrence, Kansas sometime. That he had something interesting to show us.

A few days later I took the bait and there was the Lamareoux shay in pieces and being rebuilt!
We were told originally this was for a rebuilt Gilpin Tram in Black Hawk, Colorado. However, the land issues never worked out and now I guess the engine is in Pennsylvania.

Am curious as to how much work the new owners have had to do as seem to remember being told the engine needed a lot of boiler work and this was the reason for being sold in Colorado.

jimhollis612@charter.net

i went straight to the interchange, didn't see briefs.

They were asking 250 K for it. not wanting to be a borish lout, but I am curious how much off that price ( the engine had been for sale for years) they may have come.

For those interested, i'm sending the link for the Bucksgahuda & Western Railway in St. Mary's PA....They have the 0-4-0 Henchal, as well as that homebuilt shay mentioned a few messages ago.
The other line in St. Marys is the Teaberry & Southern, both lines are kind of associated with one another as they both have very similar equipment, most of which came from the same places....While i do not have alink for the T&S, i have visited both of these lines, (even though it was a few years back, like 8 yrs back) and they are truly worth the visit....I'm not too sure, but the one picture of the 2ft shay i saw looked like it was at the Teaberry & southern, but again, i'm not sure on that one....

Ken



Bucksgahuda & Western Railway
digitekfx@kwic.com

...for the link, nice site, nice operation and nice video of Otto in action, looks like a lot of fun!

lamontdc@adelphia.net

You can also find out more info about 2 ft gauge equipment by visiting "The Two Footers" website.
This site has info from around the globe. I've been involved with 2ft for about 12yrs, and even built my own 2ft gage hi-railer. It could pull about 1 ton.... Anywho, just thought i'd mention this other site as well to those interested.

Ken

The Two Footers
digitekfx@kwic.com

To all of you who are curious:

The Lima SHAY s/n 3118 is now owned by an individual in Pennsylvania. It is located on a personal 2-foot gage railroad on PRIVATE property. Let us repeat that, a personal railroad on PRIVATE PROPERTY! Now, to answer some of your other questions:

The owner has no desire to become well known, visited by railfans or vandals. Please respect these wishes. Take heart that the locomotive is preserved, operable, well protected and probably not going anywhere for the next 80 years or so.

The selling price is unknown by anyone but the owner and the seller. No one else needs to know.

Lima built several of this industrial MID class locomotives (5 to 7 I think, check the shaylocomotives.com site for yourself) one was 3-foot gage, others 2-foot. This locomotive is NOT "homebuilt", it is a real, 1920, Lima-built SHAY. It has been restored and slightly modified to it's current condition.

All of the Ali-Shan Shays are 30 inch gage, again check the shaylocomotives.com website. GOOD LUCK!

The only other CONFIRMED 2-foot gage Shays are the former Mapleton Sugar Tram locomotives somewhere "Down Under". One is on display and the other is in pieces. Check the shaylocomotives.com website.

Not much work has been required by the new owner. Some small mechanical, boiler and cosmetic repairs is all! The locomotive was very well restored by Mr. Lamaroux and has been operable for the last 25+ years.

I am a 2-foot gage railroader in PA and a friend of the owner (and very SORRY I ever posted the brief!). If you have any questions or other concerns please do not hesitate to email me. I can't tell you anything else about the owner or locomotive location, so don't ask. Also remember, I don't have too much time to waste at the computer, so don't expect a detailed, accurate or rapid response!
A. C. Morean


shaylocomotives.com
moreans@yahoo.com

> To all of you who are curious:

> The Lima SHAY s/n 3118 is now owned by an
> individual in Pennsylvania. It is located on
> a personal 2-foot gage railroad on PRIVATE
> property. Let us repeat that, a personal
> railroad on PRIVATE PROPERTY! Now, to answer
> some of your other questions:

> The owner has no desire to become well
> known, visited by railfans or vandals.
> Please respect these wishes. Take heart that
> the locomotive is preserved, operable, well
> protected and probably not going anywhere
> for the next 80 years or so.

> The selling price is unknown by anyone but
> the owner and the seller. No one else needs
> to know.

> Lima built several of this industrial MID
> class locomotives (5 to 7 I think, check the
> shaylocomotives.com site for yourself) one
> was 3-foot gage, others 2-foot. This
> locomotive is NOT "homebuilt", it
> is a real, 1920, Lima-built SHAY. It has
> been restored and slightly modified to it's
> current condition.

> All of the Ali-Shan Shays are 30 inch gage,
> again check the shaylocomotives.com website.
> GOOD LUCK!

> The only other CONFIRMED 2-foot gage Shays
> are the former Mapleton Sugar Tram
> locomotives somewhere "Down
> Under". One is on display and the other
> is in pieces. Check the shaylocomotives.com
> website.

> Not much work has been required by the new
> owner. Some small mechanical, boiler and
> cosmetic repairs is all! The locomotive was
> very well restored by Mr. Lamaroux and has
> been operable for the last 25+ years.

> I am a 2-foot gage railroader in PA and a
> friend of the owner (and very SORRY I ever
> posted the brief!). If you have any
> questions or other concerns please do not
> hesitate to email me. I can't tell you
> anything else about the owner or locomotive
> location, so don't ask. Also remember, I
> don't have too much time to waste at the
> computer, so don't expect a detailed,
> accurate or rapid response!
> A. C. Morean

My, aren't we pleasant fellows!?! I understand not wanting railfans about, as most of those on this board don't like them either, but when a guy buys the only Shay of its type in the world, the active preservation community will be curious.

This isn't the spray paint, and camera toting rail-nerd-vandal board, and I am sure that others here take offense at your inferences, I know I do, and my hide is thick as a rhinos about these things.

This is America and private owners can mostly do whatever they want with their possessions, but such attitudes make the difference between serious preservationists and "big boys with their toys".

ryarger@rypn.org

Hmmm - how many items are "lifted" by railfans? Lets face it - we all probably know of stories of railfans taking things they shouldn't. If you don't know of anything like this, ask the Strassburg RR about it; from the rypn brief a while ago, it would seem that someone who knew what he was doing (and most likely, one of "us") did it.

Spraypaint can be painted over, but builders plates, etc, that go missing are gone forever.

John Stewart
Ottawa, Canada.

> This is America and private owners can
> mostly do whatever they want with their
> possessions, but such attitudes make the
> difference between serious preservationists
> and "big boys with their toys".


freewrl-1@rogers.com