Hi all,

Bad news is, I lost my Surviving Milk Car list in a major crash last month, so here it goes from memory.

Yikes!

Looks like 15 known milk cars as I recall the list. Please let me know if there are more!!!!

I welcome corrections!!!!!!

Rob Davis

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Borden's tank #520
Steel Butterdish
Preserved
Union, IL
http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi? ... ordens=520

B&M
Wood
Rumor - Williamstown, MA

B&M
Steel
Jim Thorpe. PA

B&M
Steel
N. Walpole, NH

B&M
Steel
Rumor: Waltham, MA

B&M #1910
Steel 4-door, mech. refrig.
Preserved
Railroad Museum of New England
http://www.rmne.org/

B&M #??
Steel 2-door, top iced
Preserved
Railroad Museum of New England
http://www.rmne.org/

Central Vermont - Wood
Private
Barnet, VT

Central Vermont - Wood
Not preserved
Confirmed: Barre, VT

Erie #6603
Steel
Preserved
Rochester, NY
http://www.rgvrrm.mus.ny.us/freight.html

NYO&W #???
Wood
Not preserved
ex Post Office, Childs, PA

GPEX Steel #1021
Union, IL http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi? ... Corp.=1021

See details of #1021's conversion to a water tender for steam ops at: http://www.irm.org/steamdept/restoration/

GPEX #1057
Steel
Preserved
St. Louis, MO
http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/misc-g/gpex1057.jpg

GPEX #???
Steel
Preserved (available)
Rio Vista Jct., CA
http://www.wrm.org/

GPEX #????
Steel
Ex L&N #40605
Duluth, GA
http://www.srmduluth.org/Exhibits/freight.htm

And for honorable mention we'll add the last known bell tank from a National flat, in Richford, VT. Unpreserved.



superc@monmouth.com

How 'bout the ex-Lackawanna Railroad wooden milk car now at Steamtown. It used to be at the Black River & Western Railroad in NJ and while there was covered into an office.

Regards,
Jim Robinson

I belive that Mid-Cont Hist Soc has an ex Lackawanna Milk car in N Freedom Wi.

http://www.stuhrmuseum.org
pfdx@aol.com

> I belive that Mid-Cont Hist Soc has an ex
> Lackawanna Milk car in N Freedom Wi.

That car is really reefer NWX 19769. It was painted up like a DL&W milk car for the 1994 filing of the Steamtown movie.

Rob Davis

http://www.mcrwy.com/collectn/woodfrt/nwx19769.html

Faux Milk
superc@monmouth.com

Rob,

I commend you for compiling your surviving milk car list--it gives us an idea of what's still out there.

Be sure to add the DL&W wooden milk car at Steamtown which for years was stored in derelict condition at the Black River and Western.

Also, the B&M car at Jim Thorpe, Pa., to which you refer is actually the remnants of Philadelphia and Reading Milk Car No. 1587, built in October 1910. Here are some notes on it from my files: car length 54’4”; Former Philadelphia and Reading milk tank class BRf (Nos. 1587, 1588, 1589); one of three built for P&R New York Division. Steel underframe, wood car body, equalized trucks; Capacity 2322 cu. ft.; 40,000 lbs., ice tanks 151.6 cu. ft. No. 1587 converted to class BRfx No. 97019 on December 28, 1951, becoming an ice storage car for Huntingdon Street Passenger Yard in Philadelphia; retired September 1963. Purchased by Rail Tours, Inc./George M. Hart for $1050.00 on September 20, 1963; delivered to Buckingham Coal & Feed Co. private siding, Buckingham, Pa., on November 11, 1963. Collapsed from severe water damage in late 1960’s. Frame and trucks salvaged and stored in Jim Thorpe, Pa. First piece of equipment acquired by RTI. Ex-RTI #35. Was the last P&R milk car in existence. This car should not be confused with the wooden P&R baggage car at Jim Thorpe which was built in 1905 and was never used in milk service.

K.R. Bell
Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania

> Hi all,

> Bad news is, I lost my Surviving Milk Car
> list in a major crash last month, so here it
> goes from memory.

> Yikes!

> Looks like 15 known milk cars as I recall
> the list. Please let me know if there are
> more!!!!

> I welcome corrections!!!!!!

> Rob Davis

>
> -----------------------------------------------------

> Borden's tank #520
> Steel Butterdish
> Preserved
> Union, IL
>
> http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi? ... ordens=520

> B&M
> Wood
> Rumor - Williamstown, MA

> B&M
> Steel
> Jim Thorpe. PA

> B&M
> Steel
> N. Walpole, NH

> B&M
> Steel
> Rumor: Waltham, MA

> B&M #1910
> Steel 4-door, mech. refrig.
> Preserved
> Railroad Museum of New England
> http://www.rmne.org/

> B&M #??
> Steel 2-door, top iced
> Preserved
> Railroad Museum of New England
> http://www.rmne.org/

> Central Vermont - Wood
> Private
> Barnet, VT

> Central Vermont - Wood
> Not preserved
> Confirmed: Barre, VT

> Erie #6603
> Steel
> Preserved
> Rochester, NY
> http://www.rgvrrm.mus.ny.us/freight.html

> NYO&W #???
> Wood
> Not preserved
> ex Post Office, Childs, PA

> GPEX Steel #1021
> Union, IL
> http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi? ... Corp.=1021

> See details of #1021's conversion to a water
> tender for steam ops at:
> http://www.irm.org/steamdept/restoration/

> GPEX #1057
> Steel
> Preserved
> St. Louis, MO
>
> http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/misc-g/gpex1057.jpg

> GPEX #???
> Steel
> Preserved (available)
> Rio Vista Jct., CA
> http://www.wrm.org/

> GPEX #????
> Steel
> Ex L&N #40605
> Duluth, GA
>
> http://www.srmduluth.org/Exhibits/freight.htm

> And for honorable mention we'll add the last
> known bell tank from a National flat, in
> Richford, VT. Unpreserved.


http://rrmuseumpa.org

Rob,

The RMNE cars are BM1910 & BM1920. The car on the VRS is BM1908 or 1928. The BM1920 is the only "restored" car to my knowledge. I think the term "preserved" is much overused in our hobby. preserved should mean that the effects of nature have been stopped, the artifact being stored in a dry building. unfortunatly to much "preserved" equipment is still returning to dust. Restoration arrests the process, but unfortunatly most restored cars still live in the elements.

Al P.

alp@cheshire.net

> Hi Rob,

According to my roster information for cars at the Western Railway Museum the General American Pfaudler Company #1056 is a steel car built by General American Transportation company in 1947. it is equipped with 2 3000 gallon tanks. 51'5" Long, 9'11"Wide 13'2" High Trucks BarbS2P 5.5"x 10'
hope this helps Ted


ted_miles@NPS.gov

> I think the term
> "preserved" is much overused in
> our hobby. preserved should mean that the
> effects of nature have been stopped, the
> artifact being stored in a dry building.
> unfortunatly to much "preserved"

We use the term first heard at Bodie, CA ghost town regading their historic buildings preserved as is without further decay. "Arrested decay" applies to cocooned (tarped) equipment and that which is under a roof.

http://www.oerm.org
wyld@oc-net.com

Hi Hurt,

That makes 2 in Jim Thorpe, then. I had no idea about the P&R frame. THe B&M car is a steel car from the late 1950's, now painted solid blue.

Neat!

Rob Davis

> Rob,

> I commend you for compiling your surviving
> milk car list--it gives us an idea of what's
> still out there.

> Be sure to add the DL&W wooden milk car
> at Steamtown which for years was stored in
> derelict condition at the Black River and
> Western.

> Also, the B&M car at Jim Thorpe, Pa., to
> which you refer is actually the remnants of
> Philadelphia and Reading Milk Car No. 1587,
> built in October 1910. Here are some notes
> on it from my files: car length 54’4”;
> Former Philadelphia and Reading milk tank
> class BRf (Nos. 1587, 1588, 1589); one of
> three built for P&R New York Division.
> Steel underframe, wood car body, equalized
> trucks; Capacity 2322 cu. ft.; 40,000 lbs.,
> ice tanks 151.6 cu. ft. No. 1587 converted
> to class BRfx No. 97019 on December 28,
> 1951, becoming an ice storage car for
> Huntingdon Street Passenger Yard in
> Philadelphia; retired September 1963.
> Purchased by Rail Tours, Inc./George M. Hart
> for $1050.00 on September 20, 1963;
> delivered to Buckingham Coal & Feed Co.
> private siding, Buckingham, Pa., on November
> 11, 1963. Collapsed from severe water damage
> in late 1960Â’s. Frame and trucks salvaged
> and stored in Jim Thorpe, Pa. First piece of
> equipment acquired by RTI. Ex-RTI #35. Was
> the last P&R milk car in existence. This
> car should not be confused with the wooden
> P&R baggage car at Jim Thorpe which was
> built in 1905 and was never used in milk
> service.

> K.R. Bell
> Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania


Faux Milk
superc@monmouth.com

Rob Davis: I'm quite familiar with all of the equipment at Jim Thorpe but I'm still having a hard time figuring out which steel car is the B&M milk car. I haven't been to JT in a year and a half so perhaps it is a new arrival. There is a former Atlantic Coast Line steel baggage car used for sand storage, but it may not be the car in question.

> Hi Hurt,

> That makes 2 in Jim Thorpe, then. I had no
> idea about the P&R frame. THe B&M
> car is a steel car from the late 1950's, now
> painted solid blue.

> Neat!

> Rob Davis


http://rrmuseumpa.org

Hi Kurt,

As I have it, the car has been there for a decade or so. It is painted a rather bright blue and was sitting behind a B&O steel caboose just north of the grade crossing to get into the municipal lot. It is one of the one's that looks more like a boxcar than a passenger car.

Similar to this hulk in Machester, VT linked to below, but I think the JT car is a single door.

Rob

> Rob Davis: I'm quite familiar with all of
> the equipment at Jim Thorpe but I'm still
> having a hard time figuring out which steel
> car is the B&M milk car. I haven't been
> to JT in a year and a half so perhaps it is
> a new arrival. There is a former Atlantic
> Coast Line steel baggage car used for sand
> storage, but it may not be the car in
> question.


B&M milk car
superc@monmouth.com

Kurt,

Also to note, I have this listed as private owener, not Rail Tours, so it is not on your Rail Tours roster.

Rob

superc@monmouth.com

Add one more to those saved at Union. We also have a Pfaudler like steel car painted modern Illinois Central and I think last used as a water car in MOW. Don't know too much about it as we originally acquired it for later trade, but it soldiers on in our displays.

Bob Kutella

68trolley@attbi.com