St. Paul, 7/8/33, not sure if that is one of today's Bandana Square buildings in the back or not:

http://abpr2.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi? ... np328a.jpg

At Brainerd, Minnesota, 11/54:

http://abpr2.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi? ... /np328.jpg

Display at Stillwater, Minnesota, 8/24/56:

http://abpr2.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi? ... p328_2.jpg

The St. Croix River would rise above the drivers at a later date, before it was retrieved for restoration.

And my thinking is that if it ever runs again, it won't be during my lifetime.
Too bad.
Mark D.

As an NP fan, what are the issues with this locomotive?

Thanks.

Scott

Wow.. I didn't even recognize her.

Since early and late views, she lost her original tender, a bell (to prevent theft, I suppose), the headlight looks lower but it could be an illusion. Also, the spoked pilot wheels are gone. The original looked a bit more impressive, huskier.

Thanks for the links.

Here's another with pics and the story behind her.
http://mtmuseum.org/?body=jsr/roster/np328.html

/Mitch

I saw it in the roundhouse this summer
the museum has some formitable hurdles to getting the 2 loco's I saw restored.
good luck

dr

At Ft. Worth, Texas, 10/20/28. Looks a lot like the 328:

http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00006010+OP-6010

NP 328 is a class S-10 ten wheeler. I believe the NP bought 10 of these engines from an order originally meant for China. The engines were fairily light relative to the NP designed S-4 class (of which 4 or 5 are preserved). I believe MTM had used the 328 on an extensive fantrip regimen in the late 70's and 80's. This engine is probably a likelier restoration candidate than either of the two pacifics held at the MTM's Jackson Street Roundhouse, one of which was removed from East Grand Forks, North Dakota, following the devastating flooding there.

Of course the usual caveat of having somewhere to run the engines comes into play, along with the difficulty in moving equipment from Jackson Street to the St. Croix Valley line.

Bob -

I agree that C&NE #51 looks suspiciously like it could be a sister to NP Ten-wheeler #328. I checked the internet and came up with this info:

1. Rogers (ALCO) received an order from a new railroad called the Chicago Southern for a number of locomotives including 20 Ten-Wheelers.

2. Six 4-6-0's were delivered to CS in 1905 before that railroad ran into financial problems. The other 14 Ten-Wheelers sat unfinished at Rogers.

3. Northern Pacific later purchased 10 of the 14 engines, which were then completed and delivered to the NP in February of 1907, where they were assigned class S-10 and numbered 320-329.

4. This leaves 4 of the 4-6-0's at Rogers, unaccounted for. It is possible that one of these was sold to the C&NE as their number 51.

5. It is also possible that one of the six Ten-Wheelers delivered to the CS, eventually ended up as being sold used to the C&NE.

6. NP 328 carried ALCO serial number 37583. If the s/n of C&NE number 51 was known, it might confirm that the engine was indeed a sister to NP 328.

7. The reference to these engines being originally built for China may have originated in J. David Conrad's book STEAM LOCOMOTIVE DIRECTORY OF NORTH AMERICA where David states they were originally built for the South Manchurian Railway. I am not sure where David got that info. Perhaps the engines ordered by CS were based on a design for the SMRy. Perhaps they WERE ordered by that far east railroad and then cancelled and then the CS agreed to use the design for their 20 4-6-0's. In any event, there seems to be the very good likelihood that C&NE 51 and NP 328 could have indeed been sisters from the same locomotive order.

Les

I vaguely recall a photo in the Minnesota Transportation Museum's publication the Minnegazette many years ago (late 80's I think) showing another one of the Chicago Southern ten-wheelers that ended up on the Milwaukee Road. I don't remember the engine number or class designation, or if the caption mentioned how many of them they had.

Richard -

That is really interesting information. Perhaps someone with one of the Milwaukee Road historical societies can give us some more info. And, hold your breath, maybe even furnish a photo!

Les