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 Post subject: Re: Here's the link.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:43 pm 

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Use Google, I think I found a copy for $147.00. On the other end of the spectrum there is a copy on eBay for over $1,500.00.

Why so expensive?

I have ever CERA bulletin from 1956 to 2007, and I don't think that the entire set cost me $500.00.

Like Superheater, I'd like a .pdf version, only if I could print it, which you can't with the versions offered.

I wonder what it would take to get Princeton UP to reprint?

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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:45 am 

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Hello,

I hope the endowment saved the #6000 along with her original tapered main roller bearing rods as well as the straights. The extra beef in the rods would help if boiler pressures need to be raised.

In addition, perhaps they saved a Pacemaker boxcar full of track pan sections so they can recreate scooping water at 80 MPH. Of course new tiles can be purchased and laid so they don't blast the ballast from between the ties! Such a demonstration would show how the NYC was able to achieve 25,000 miles per month when the Niagara was in daily service.

Cheers!

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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:39 pm 

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Guys,

That really does happen. recently the Orange Empire Railway Museu has moved the body of the Pacific Electric 538, a wooden interurban that dates to the early days of the company!

There was no evidence of the car from outside the building that covered it.

Ted Miles


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:31 pm 

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Remember Richard Jenkins' great story on Chaski a few years ago, complete with (wonderfully photoshopped) photo of the New York Central Hudson that was found hidden away? He really had me going. Then I noticed the date.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:57 pm 

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The Electric City Trolley Museum & Station was recently overjoyed to find and receive the body of Scranton, Pa. trolley 324, which had been incorporated into a tavern during the Depression. They though it would make a nice exhibit of a Scranton car from almost before living memory, even though visitors wouldn't be able to ride it anywhere. Even more amazing, the Electric City Trolley Museum Association was able to track down and acquire all the missing replacement parts necessary to put it back together and run again!


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:28 am 

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http://www.ectma.org/collection.html

Except that's true about the 324[/url]


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:16 pm 

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A freind of mine is convinced that there is a Mason locomotive in a mine building somewhere in Montana.

There really were four Interurban Electric Railway cars in a pit near Coalvill, Utah.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:52 pm 
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I saw in a recent issue of the MLW historical society magazine, there was a photo of an object that looked an awful lot like a f-series steam locomtoive streamlining, sitting out in a field, reportedly in Iowa I think, taken this year.
Anyone know more about that? I thumbed through the magazine at a show last weekend and didn't read any more about it...


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:47 am 

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p51 wrote:
I saw in a recent issue of the MLW historical society magazine, there was a photo of an object that looked an awful lot like a f-series steam locomtoive streamlining, sitting out in a field, reportedly in Iowa I think, taken this year.
Anyone know more about that? I thumbed through the magazine at a show last weekend and didn't read any more about it...


Actually, I'm the one that turned it up and reported it. It is about a quarter size parade model on a custom 1940 Dodge chassis, built in the MILW shops according to a photo which recently showed up. Modeled on the A-1 Class 4-4-2's, it has twin steering axles for the lead truck, dummy drivers with wood centers (from the pattern shop?) and the trailing truck is actually the driving axle. A very accurate model of an odd prototype, the first streamlined steam locomotive from a builder, it was suspected that it might be a MILW-built unit. The photo shows a tender, but that didn't survive. Purchased by an auctioneer, now deceased, the ownership chain is a mystery.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:40 am 

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Alex Huff wrote:
p51 wrote:
I saw in a recent issue of the MLW historical society magazine, there was a photo of an object that looked an awful lot like a f-series steam locomtoive streamlining, sitting out in a field, reportedly in Iowa I think, taken this year.
Anyone know more about that? I thumbed through the magazine at a show last weekend and didn't read any more about it...


Actually, I'm the one that turned it up and reported it. It is about a quarter size parade model on a custom 1940 Dodge chassis, built in the MILW shops according to a photo which recently showed up. Modeled on the A-1 Class 4-4-2's, it has twin steering axles for the lead truck, dummy drivers with wood centers (from the pattern shop?) and the trailing truck is actually the driving axle. A very accurate model of an odd prototype, the first streamlined steam locomotive from a builder, it was suspected that it might be a MILW-built unit. The photo shows a tender, but that didn't survive. Purchased by an auctioneer, now deceased, the ownership chain is a mystery.

Alex Huff


That reminds me..

the Lehigh Valley Railroad Sayre shops also built a replica LV steam engine for a parade float..photos of the loco in a parade exist, I believe it was also a 4-4-2. I dont know the exact scale, but it was rather large..maybe 15 feet long and 6 feet high..it took up a fairly large parade float.

rumours have been around forever that the replica loco still exists!
stashed away somewhere..if so, it is the only surviving LVRR steam engine! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:59 am 

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STAN J wrote:
There really were four Interurban Electric Railway cars in a pit near Coalvill, Utah.


A crew from WRM spent a week in Coalville this spring, salvaging parts from those cars. After we left, the owner had arranged to have them scrapped by a scrapper from Salt Lake City. The plan was to bring in a mobile shredder and shred them on site.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:43 pm 

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Which is true... fine little engine that I've seen myself (the one at Morehead, KY).

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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:32 pm 

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There are several tales of "lost" narrow gauge lokies in the Santa Cruz Mountains here in California. Every so often, almost always after heavy rains, you will hear of somebody's hiker friend claiming to have sighted a locomotive poking through the mud along the banks of Aptos Creek in Forest of Nisene Marks State Park. I know of at least one person who believes it to be one of the 30" gauge Molino Timber Co. Shays, which was wrecked for a movie shoot and, he believes, just left there. I've also heard a similar story involving two contractor's engines used on the old Hihn lumber railroad in Felton -- purportedly entombed by a mudslide on private property.

I've always kind of secretly hoped that the "Felton" (the old ex-SC&F Porter-Bell 0-6-0) was still out there somewhere, as it's ultimate disposition is undocumented. It was last photographed on display in Boulder Creek about 1917 and we can only assume scrapped sometime thereafter. Curiously, it's original Bausch & Lomb headlight survives to this day, and in pristine condition. A local antique dealer found it hanging on a tavern wall in B.C. and, after slipping the barkeep some green, took it home.

There's certainly enough other strange things lurking in those redwoods; why not an old teakettle or two? ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:40 pm 

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True.

I'm working on a print article covering the long history of these four cars. It should be ready early 2008.

Many thanks to a certain person from WRM for much of the early history of the cars.

It is too bad these historic cars had to be scrapped, but many significant parts were slavaged to help restore others. I wanted to help the the WRM crew with some of the slavage work, but that just didn't work out.

Giving away part of the story about why they had to be scrapped, the cars were very lightly built and after they were cut in two for movement to the Coalville area in the early 1980s there was just no salvaging any of them intact. I had hoped WRM could do something with the very rare trailer, but it, like the others, was too far gone.


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 Post subject: Re: Best Rumors/Legends - in the Redwoods
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:51 pm 

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There is a missing Shay Locomotive somewhere near Hume Lake, CA. During the logging days, the Hume-Bennett Company owned three Shay locomotives, numbered 1, 2, and 3. Legend has it that one spring, locomotive #1 slid off of the track somewhere near Camp 7 and plummeted down the mountainside. Records of the locomotive’s existence have been verified by Hume Lake staff—three were purchased according to purchase slips, three were photographed throughout their time in the Hume Bennett fleet, and just two—locomotives 2 and 3—were sold with sale slips. The locomotives were a large asset to the company, rendering the sale of all three likely, especially given the sale of the other two and the sale of less valuable equipment. It would seem, given all of the proof that locomotive #1 did exist and the proof that it was not sold when the others were, that the legend of its demise is true. Despite years of searching, only one person has ever been documented to have found the Shay since it went missing—a Forest Service ranger in the district during the 1950s, as “verified” by a picture of him standing on the Shay shown to Bob Phillips, Hume’s Director At Large. Many believe that it’s out there, but no one now living has been able to find the legendary shay.


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