It's in better shape than the NYC Hudson :)

The Brits could have that back on the rails and in steam in <1 year. :-)

That's the one.

Depends on your perspective. Some folks think a steam locomotive ceases to be one when it no longer runs; even though it is intact.

Granted; say a builder's plate is not a locomotive; but there is enough there that you can tell it was a locomotive, and not a traction engine, a stationary steam plant, a steamboat on dry land, or an Edsel.

On a more serious note; that does become a good question when building a database of surviving steam locomotives -- how much in the way of remains do you need for it to count? Looks like J. David Conrad was looking for fairly complete locomotives in accessible locations to include in his steam locomotive directory; others including myself appear to have a more broader criteria.

I understand your position on locomotive lists. I have no problem with fragments of engines being on somebody's published list, as long as there is an accompanying statement that the engine is "without boiler" or "has no wheels" or "is rumored to be there" etc. I hate the thought of someone driving down from New York to Morgan City, Louisiana and expecting to find an old commuter engine there. By the way, the pieces referenced in my previous post are not reachable from Morgan City, (where I was born and raised) but rather from 30 miles away off Louisiana One and down a long series of narrow roads to a canal where you must take a skiff for a few additional miles. Bring a gun.


Just my 2 cents.

I've always considered the frames and cylinders to be the locomotive. Boilers and even wheels were changed in service so were really disposable items. Also when the engine is under restoration to operation you're going to have to debate keeping of scrapping the boiler anyway. Our Baldwin that we're restoring has at some point had it's entire tender swapped with another from an engine of the same class.

Anyway here's a photo of some Baldwin locomotives dumped by NZR yes the frames are there but further up the hill. These are their tender tanks.



Enjoy,
Ben

The one in St. Louis is Lake Street Elevated #9, "Charles H." It is named after Charles H. Deere, son of John Deere and a member of the intial board of directors of the line. It is the world's only elevated railway steam locomotive in a museum. As for the remains in LA, I would call that a HULK.