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 Post subject: Looking for info on "Santa Fe" F7 in Dallas museum
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:56 am 

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I am looking to do an article for my local NRHS newsletter on the ex-CN F7 re-painted for Santa Fe at the Museum of the American Railroad in Dallas. Can anyone give details on when it was acquired, when it was repainted, and/or pictures of it?

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for info on "Santa Fe" F7 in Dallas museum
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:44 pm 

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I saw this engine some years ago, looked really nice. Seems strange that more from the Santa Fe weren't saved. In any case here is a photo I found on the web: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mojavegirl1216/2884030233/

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for info on "Santa Fe" F7 in Dallas museum
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:48 pm 

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David Farlow wrote:
I saw this engine some years ago, looked really nice. Seems strange that more from the Santa Fe weren't saved. In any case here is a photo I found on the web: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mojavegirl1216/2884030233/

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I think that the answer to that question is called "CF-7"

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for info on "Santa Fe" F7 in Dallas museum
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:11 pm 

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Gary,

I think you are right about that, the recycling program cleared off the fleet before the preservation era. Aside from the F in Sacramento, are there any others out there or E units from the Santa Fe (not including FP45's)?

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for info on "Santa Fe" F7 in Dallas museum
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:53 pm 

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Santa Fe didn't have a lot of E-units and didn't buy any 'brand new' ones after the E3. Their early AA's, E1's and E3's got rebuilt into 8 "E8Am"s and 3 "E8Bm"s in the early '50s by EMD. None of the E8Am's were preserved either. I believe they were off the roster by 1970. Amtrak didn't get any of them. Santa Fe was a great example of "repurposing" as their CF7 and similar programs demonstrated, but that didn't leave much for the preservationists. I'm not aware of any other F-units preserved in original condition besides the pair in Sacramento. It's regrettable that the only PA that has a chance of returning to ATSF colors in the forseeable future remains an unrestored wrecked shell in Oregon (ex-D&H #16, owned by the Smithsonian.)

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for info on "Santa Fe" F7 in Dallas museum
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:43 pm 

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Chris, check your PMs regarding the "Santa Fe" F7.

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Ben Kroger
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 Post subject: Re: Looking for info on "Santa Fe" F7 in Dallas museum
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:45 pm 

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It's an interesting story, although I don't quite understand what the advantage was in cutting down the F7 bodies to create a Geep. Visibility? Complete unit renewal and refabrication? The F7A was a symbol of the Santa Fe. I just seems odd that they'd all get cut down for the amount of time they continued on AT&SF tracks. A few wound up here in Maine, on the Bangor and Aroostook. I don't think any survive today.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:08 am 

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The full-width carbodies were not suitable for switching duties because of visibility. Santa Fe was able to remanufacture the F7's into hood switchers for about $40k each, vs. spending $150k for a new unit. Ultimately 233 units were converted.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:51 am 

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Visibility was part of the reason, but the need for end platforms and steps for switching operations (in place of the footboards installed on F7s used in local service), plus a desire to simplify access to the prime mover and other components also promted the decision to convert the F7s and F9s into CF7s.

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