Lake Shore Electric Rwy Auction

Andy Nold · **Joined:** Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:45 pm **Posts:** 297

The LSE must analyze all bids and determine whether they are going to sell the entire collection to the museum consortium. If the museum consortium wins the overall bid, then each car only has one bidder. The 14 museums worked out ahead of time who would get what equipment and I believe all the equipment has been accounted for.

If the consortium bid is declined, then each car is a head to head contest and the highest bidder wins. The bid sheets were for individual lots and it did not appear that "packaged" bids were acceptable. If nobody bids on a car in direct bidding, then it remains property of the LSE who will be responsible for salvaging or making other arrangements to their satisfaction/needs.

Jack A. Siffert · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:11 pm **Posts:** 373

I'm really interesed in how the bidding for things other than the cars turn out. The If you don't win this you can put the money towards another thing is kinda strange.

Andy Nold · **Joined:** Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:45 pm **Posts:** 297

That's a good thing from our point of view. We could use one of the Westinghouse air compressors. I bid on the one I wanted the most, if I am not the highest bidder on that one, then I have 3 alternate bids on other air compressors. Hopefully by the time I get to my last air compressor, I will have won a bid. On the other hand, if I was the high bidder on all, I sure don't need 4 compressors.

Jim Vaitkunas · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:09 am

Andy:

I feel sure that if the consortium bids are rejected and you do get four compressors, that you can find buyers/traders for the other ones. I can think of one and perhaps two projects that need compressors.

I am hopeful that the consortium bids are accepted as I think this is the best and fairest way to dispose of ALL of items/lots in the LSE collection.

Regardless of the outcome, I want to thank Bill Wall for the hard work he has done to coordinate amongst the 14 museums making up the consortium. It's amazing that he brought all of the museums together to cooperate on this endeavor, which is a sign of good leadership qualities.

Thanks!

Chris Chestnut · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:29 am

I agree with you Jim:

I also want to thank Bill Wall for his efforts to put the consortium bid together. He did a tireless effort to pull all the groups together. What many may not know is he did this while removing his own group from consideration to alleviate any idea that his group would benefit.

Even if the consortium bid is rejected I hope that the museum community can learn from Bill's efforts and work closer together to further our common cause.

Andy Nold · **Joined:** Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:45 pm **Posts:** 297

The museum consortium bid was accepted.

Andy Nold · **Joined:** Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:45 pm **Posts:** 297

This is preliminary, incomplete, and has not been confirmed:

AE&FR #303 went to NORM
AE&FR #304 went to Fox River
CA&E #458 went to Fox River
Veracruz #9 went to Fort Smith

JohnCloos · **Joined:** Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:59 pm **Posts:** 308

IRM is reporting having successfully bid on the following :

CA&E wood car 36
CA&E wood car 319

CA&E Pullman 409

CA&E St Louis 451 & 460

and the other Vera Cruz open car

Jim Vaitkunas · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:54 pm

Woo! Hoo!

Good work, Bill Wall. Good work to everyone involved.

Congratulations to all the museums which cooperated in this mghty endeavor. I see all of us as winners.

This has made my day, week & month.

Thanks!

wesp · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:09 pm

Bill Wall worked hard to make the deal happen. All in all this is a very happy ending to an unfortunate situation. Many thanks to my friends and colleagues who worked with Bill on an historic effort, and to the trustees at Lake Shore for their foresight in entertaining a consortium bid in the first place.

Wesley

rjenkins · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:15 pm

Any word on where the O&W and N&W cabooses are going?

Mr.Pullman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:40 pm

Yes any word on the O&W and the N&W wood Cabooses, Were these bid on? if so who won them if not what to happens to them now? Could they still be avaliable?

Wonderful to hear everything else worked out! Look forward to any new information!

artschwartz · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:34 pm

Since the consortium bid has been accepted, it appears that the cabooses (cabeese) have found homes, as the requirement for the consortium bid was that all equipment be included. I am aware of one organization, represented by a person who posts regularly on this board, that was interested in the NYO&W caboose. That is all I have heard at this time.

Jim Vaitkunas · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:27 pm

I just chatted with Bill Wall who is somewhere on I-80 driving home to Connecticut.

In answer to the above questions:
O&W caboose went to Connecticut Trolley Museum north of Hartford
N&W caboose went to NORM

Now all consortium members have to get their purchase agreements and payments in. Those are due to the Lake Shore Electric group by 5 PM on Wednesday, October 7th.

This has been an interesting experience. It was like herding cats according to Bill Wall. But I think that the whole drill demonstrates that museums can cooperate for the good of the whole and hopefully it will be a starting point for closer cooperation amongst the museums.

Thanks!

o anderson · **Posted:** Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:31 pm

Here is the breakdown per an article on the Shore Line Interurban Historical Society website:

Quote:

The cars dispersed to museums in the Chicago area are as follows:

- Illinois Railway Museum:

* Cooperativa de Transportes Urbanos y Suburbanos (Veracruz, Mexico) open car 19
* Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Wood Car 36 (Stephenson, 1902)
* Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Wood Car 319 (Jewett, 1914)
* Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Steel Car 409 (Pullman, 1923)
* Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Steel Car 451 (St. Louis, 1945)
* Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Steel Car 460 (St. Louis, 1945)

- Fox River Trolley Museum:

* AE&FRE 304
* Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Steel Car 458 (St. Louis, 1945)

The cars dispersed to museums outside of the Chicago area are as follows:

- National Capital Trolley Museum:

* Blackpool “Boat Car” 606
* Toronto PCC 3602
* MBTA PCC 3334

- Pennsylvania Trolley Museum:

* Cincinnati Street Railway 2227
* Toledo Rys. parlor car “Toledo”
* Centerville, Albia & Southern Ry. box motor 100

- Northern Ohio Railway Museum:

* AE&FRE 303
* Cleveland Peter Witt 1225
* Cleveland Transit System Airporter car 172
* Northern Ohio Traction & Light Co. (later Shaker Heights and GCRTA) box motor OX
* Norfolk & Western caboose 508021

- Seashore Trolley Museum:

* Cleveland Rys. Peter Witt trailer 2365
* Cleveland Transit System “Bluebird” rapid transit car 113

- Connecticut Trolley Museum:

* CA&E 303
* Centervlle, Albia & Southern Ry. line car 1
* Centerville, Albia & Southern Ry. box motor 101
* New York, Ontario & Western caboose 8146

- Electric City Trolley Museum:

* CA&E 453
* Shaker Heights PCC cars 63, 71 and 76

- Fort Smith (Ark.) Trolley Museum:

* Cooperativa de Transportes Urbanos y Suburbanos(Veracruz) open car 9

- New York Museum of Transportation:

* one unpowered line car

Article:
http://www.shore-line.org/trolleyville_update2.html