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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:24 pm 

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Jeff's diner sketch is funnier than any of the April 1 posts. Of course, you have to know a little bit about the cast of characters at IRM to really appreciate it.


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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:24 am 

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I just heard from a non-railfan friend who lives in the area that the Skytops have been cut up into 3 or 4 pieces each and have been loaded onto flatcars - destination unknown. Does anyone have further details?


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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:26 pm 

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Unbelievably, an update swiped from Trains Newswire!

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MONTEVIDEO, Minn. - The remains of two former Milwaukee Road Skytop sleeping cars once used on the Olympian Hiawatha are headed for a Minnesota museum.

The Milwaukee Road Historical Association organized the effort to preserve the remains of the two cars, which were used as part of a floating restaurant on the ferryboat Lansdowne. At one time the barge/restaurant was located in Detroit, then Erie, Pa., and finally Buffalo, N.Y., where efforts to reestablish the restaurant failed.

The iron-hulled Lansdowne was moved east to Buffalo in 2006 after being kicked out of Erie, where it had long been considered an eyesore while it was moored along Erie's west bayfront.

In Buffalo, the Lansdowne's owner, Specialty Restaurants Corp., continued with plans to turn the barge into a floating restaurant. The Lansdowne had taken up residence at the South End Marina, a coveted spot in Buffalo's outer harbor.

Plans for the Lansdowne lost steam when Specialty Restaurants' original owner, David Tallichet, died about 18 months ago. With no action taken toward opening a restaurant, politicians asked Specialty Restaurants to move the barge out of Buffalo because they said it was unsightly. Under pressure, the company finally agreed to sell the barge for demolition, which began in April.

The Milwaukee Road Historical Association negotiated for months with the scrap company to salvage the two cars on the boat. The cars are the former Milwaukee Road Arrow Creek and Gold Creek, two of six eight-bedroom lounge-observation Skytop cars built by Pullman Standard in 1948-49 for the Chicago-Seattle/Tacoma Olympian Hiawatha. The Hi was discontinued in 1961, and the six observation cars were sold to Canadian National in 1964, where they continued in service until 1976.

Three of the cars were scrapped, but two ended up as part of the restaurant. By the time they arrived in Buffalo, the cars were mainly hulks, with no interiors and only the outer shells remaining. To save what remained, the bodies were cut away from the underframes and the remaining bodies were cut down the middle from roof to floor. The floors and the trucks from the cars were left behind, as the equipment being used was not heavy enough to lift them.

The remains of the cars were placed on flatcars for shipment to Montevideo, routed over CSX, Union Pacific, and Twin Cities & Western. Eventually the cars will be displayed at the Milwaukee Road Heritage Center in Montevideo. A third Skytop sleeper, the Coffee Creek, survives and is being restored in Fargo, N.D.

The Milwaukee Road also owned four Skytop parlor-observations used on the Twin Cities Hiawathas. Three of these cars survive, including the Cedar Rapids, in operating condition and based in Minneapolis.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:20 pm 

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:58 pm 

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OH, I really like "Nick's Eats". A "perfect" use of those shells. When do you guys break ground for it? How are Nick's culinary skills, anyway?

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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:06 pm 

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Well, up to this year, Nick was the man in ultimate charge of our food facilities...
..This year, the "new management" has removed a number of tasty treats from the menu, and slashed the number of available condiments...the choices now include only ketchup, mustard ,and relish...

....no more chopped onions for the brats and dogs, or pickles for the burgers...

Ask Nick, I was PO'D!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:59 am 

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We were at IRM Sunday for the Fathers Day event. I can attest that there were indeed chopped onions in the diner, because I put them on my hot dog, as did my grandson on his.

The menu selection is quite interesting and comprehensive. Besides the usual hot dogs and brats, it also includes chicken strips, chili, pizza and barbecue. Plus, the diner was a great air-conditioned respite from the sultry heat conditions outside.


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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:19 am 

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Thanks for an unbiased review of the food service. I think they probably hide all the good stuff when they see Jeff coming.... Anyhow, the nice thing about this business is that there's always plenty to complain about.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:00 pm 

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I eagerly await news from Montevideo about what is to be done with these fragements, but I can't imagine that it will equal Nick's Eats.

We may finally have the answer to the question posed in another post: what is the strangest preserved railroad artifact? (And whatever became of the Aerotrain-observation-car yard office on the Chicago West Pullman?)

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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:22 pm 

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eldiner wrote:
I just heard from a non-railfan friend who lives in the area that the Skytops have been cut up into 3 or 4 pieces each and have been loaded onto flatcars - destination unknown. Does anyone have further details?

The Milwaukee Road Heritage Center in Montevideo, MN has the skytops that came on flatcars. Our website is http://www.montevideomrhc.org and we posted pictures and video of ths skytop be unloaded off the flatcars and those are on facebook--http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milwaukee-Road-Heritage-Center-in-Montevideo-MN/316873451128?ref=mf

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What is doing to be done with the shells?

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File this under "just when you think you've seen it all" right next to the chain drive 2-6-0.

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It seems that new window is called a cupola...

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 Post subject: Re: Final Call for Lansdowne MILW Skytops?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:30 am 

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Considering it is getting harder and harder to raise funds for preservation efforts throughout the Country, and the fact with SO MANY preservation efforts all the same, why should these cars be preserved when there is little of them but a shell left, when there are so many more worth while causes out there that need funds from the same cash pool everyone is fighting for?

PRR preserved nearly "1 of everything" when it came to their most common road power. (lets not get technical as to what they did or didn't preserve - its an example for arguments sake) Now, go to the RRMPA and look at most of it sitting outside rotting away. There is just NOT ENOUGH MONEY to go around for all these projects just to house them indoors to prevent further decay, let alone restore them.

Look at the LASTA's most recent liquidation efforts. Look at the Cape May Seashore Lines and their RDC's that are being destroyed while sitting awaiting restoration money. Look at NH&I over the years and all the Reading Cars that got cut up or are awaiting to be due to lack of funds, Look at Rail Tours and all those CNJ and RDG MUs sitting awaiting final disposition, or the PRR/LIRR cars that are sitting up in NJ rotting away for lack of funds...BR&W has a set of Lackawanna Boontons that are rotting away...the list goes ON AND ON.

Sure the argument can be made that there are plenty of examples of the above equipment around for interpritive measure, but who is to say that they don't deserve the same cash that these cars need, and consider too, what will be done with these cars once restored?...Will they recoupe their investment in terms of leasing or carrying revenue for said operation/museum? ...or will it be another stuff and mount "$5 museum admisson" item that barely covers operating costs and then only to be later moved outside for other "worth while" projects.

The rail preservation community (rpc) sometimes reminds me of watching the TV show "Hoarders." They always have a reason for buying or saving that particular thing because it might be or is of value, but they have no place to keep it, and in RPC's case, no money to preserve it....so it becomes a HUGE pile of junk that they then try to defend why it was kept in the first place, all the while facing losing out on the more important things.

Preservation and restoration are words who's definition can be stretched to the imagination.

The more pipe dream projects we add to the pool, the less money we have to filter to each one and there is less and less money each day we go on, to be filtered to said projects.

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